Warhammer 40K: Dawn of War

[radass]

Ok, i was totally wrong about doom3 (multiplayer wise anyway, single rocks!) but i'm NOT wrong about this! We've been playing the open beta version of DOW online for nearly a week now, and it's one of the greatest rts games of all time

If you love the rts, get the DOW open beta. it's free !

Full game comes out within the month

[kyzen]

LOL, I was thinking about this last night!!! Better tell everyone, how rude of us keeping something this good to ourselves, I mean, we nearly didn't tell you :P j/k

This game make generals look like homos, it's beautiful to play even though it's still only in beta, HOPEFULLY we will have the full game before XvZ:2, so get it and have a few games so you are familiar with it. Best RTS EVER!!! :D

Download: http://www.fileplanet.com/download.aspx?f=142833
Beta Key Site: http://www.fileplanet.com/betas/verify.aspx?b=2432&u=http://www.fileplanet.com/betas/dawnofwar.aspx

[Griphonix]

as good as TA was? (note I said was)

[radass]

i never got around to playing TA, but from what i saw it was and is still awesome ...

all i know is, i want to play it as much as if not more than i wanted to play starcraft back in the day

[Blade]

I think this game may be the first one that i EVER buy

yeah thats how much i'm looking forward to it

[madcap_magician]

true - i have seen it in action and i love it !!!


now spot - might need to come and get it off you bro. fucked if i'm downloading it off my 56k
!

[Moo]

so they use just the units from the table top game?

EDIT: arg! i hate that!. didnt mean to hit post.

Seen this game called Nosferatu: wrath of malechi. Looks okay. http://www.nosferatu-game.com/ The site has music (warning) and this silly pic of nosferatu jumps out every 2 minutes (other warning). But the game looks good thou.

What im really waiting for is GuildWars
http://www.guildwars.com/
.. nuff said

[Gray Fox]

DoW beta is great... The interactivity between units is like something we've never seen in an RTS... the Marine Force commander taking out the Bloodthirster is something worth seeing!

Found a few glitches though (hey! its a beta version innit?)...When you purchase the melee weapons upgrade (power swords) and you also have a force commander, his daemon hammer changes for a power sword (which in itself isn't meant to happen), yet sometimes you can also glimpse the hammer head on the tip of the sword... makes for an interesting weapon...

Overall the game kicks ass... the morale system is cool, and the diversity between the armies is also cool. Though they really didn't need to do much in the way of creating that sort of stuff, since practically all of it comes from the tabletop game (of which i am a gamer myself), but i'm not complaining...

could crap on 'bout the resources n'stuff but i can't be bothered atm...look it up yourself!

[radass]

Yeah, it's certainly got a few bugs here and there, but yeah, it's god damn impressive, and greatly awesome and fun

Welcome to the Forum!

[Blade]

Unfortunately the mofos have stopped giving out cd keys for the beta version

[radass]

did you use the link that kenny posted ? If so .. damn that's gay !

[Blade]

OH YEAH ITS REAL FUCKIN GAY

[kyzen]

Ahh shit! Same thing happened when I went to get mine, then they opened it for another couple of thousand, now they must have stopped it again! How homo! Full game should be out in next few weeks!!! Will be waiting furiously!

[fungusmungus]

after careful consideration and much "testing" of the quality of said game... i have decided:

I'D RATHER SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON THE FUCKING BOARD GAME THAN PLAY THIS BULLSHIT GAME... IT'S FUCKING HORRIBLE

thankyou

i hate RTS

[Moo]

yeah. ive bean considering getting my orcses outta the cupboard n squishing some more pansies wit em

:D

[fungusmungus]

heheh i'd grab mine out... but theres no real point in having two ork armies fighting each other...

just seems kinda redundant...

MY WARLORD GHAZGHULL KILLS YOUR WARLORD GHAZGHULL...

it makes no freaken sense...

**disclaimer: anyone who knows nothing about the BOARD GAME VERSION would not understand that... come to think of it... i cant beleive i still managed to keep it stuck in this vacuum of a head i hve

[Moo]

fuck you.

2 tarantulas in the back line, either side of a rapier. all armour tis prawned. 3K armies, orkses V pansies. end of 2nd turn, he had just his big daemon mofo left (2 hits left mind you) and i only lost like 20 grots n 2 goths.

who the fuck sends in those warp panzseys NEAR MY FUCKING BLOOD AXES FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Joshu]

Fileplanet makes me want to vomit. Just thought I'd say that.

DELORTED!!

[SPOT]

this game is so gay.
fucking space marine rushes.
all these hopeless noobs do it build 2 marine squads and a commander and rush you.
and unless you are doing the same thing there is no way to stop it!!
its gay!!
and then they have the audacity to call you a noob cause you got ran over.
if only there was no such thing as the internet and these people had to say it to your face.
its such a good game but these fools that do the rush are really letting it down.
stupid gay game.

[madcap_magician]

at XvZ - any person found rushing will suffer an anal breach from kenny!

[Joshu]

Originally posted by SPOT
if only there was no such thing as the internet and these people had to say it to your face.

What'd happen then?:D Would it involve a sore loser, a non-drunken noob-slap brawl (kind of like a slow-motion catfight but WAY less sexy), an assault suit and a few years of ass-pounding in prison?

Or would they just shame you to your face?


The same thing happens in _all_ (well, most) RTSs - Starcraft, Total Annihilation, Savage (sorta), Generals/Zero Hour... there'll always be a way to rush, it'll always be a decent and normal form of attack, and there'll always be people who sook about getting hit by it. Bear in mind that when said noob builds two squads and a commander, they still have to move it across the playing field (I'm assuming there's a playing field to move across :D ) - and that's your advantage right there; you've got time to build defense (if the game has it), or to entrench some troops, or whatever else would give you a home ground advantage. If it's not enough time, use the feedback form to complain to the game makers; after all, you are a beta tester and they do want your feedback.


Originally posted by madcap_magician
at XvZ - any person found rushing will suffer an anal breach from kenny!

loopback.jpg? (google it if you don't know)

Kenny rushes in Zero Hour (well, until people stopped playing him). That'd be a funny sight.

http://www.fileplanet.com/betas/dawnofwar/registrationfull.aspx
The Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War Beta program is now closed. There are no keys available for the beta.

-The FilePlanet Staff

[Eoin]

I think Spot's point is that sportsmanship as foreign as the concept may be to online gaming, is still important to some people.

[SPOT]

indeed eoin!!
anyone can do the rush, but what point is it having more than 2 unit types in the game if there is no point in using them??
and by the sounds of your post joshu, you sound like you are one of the rushers.
if you have played dawn of war, you would know that base def in it only slows the attackers down.
a force commander is so tuff he can run past it and take your base apart!!
thats one man that can win the game!!

[Moo]

yeah ... 40k is all about minitures. so all the defense would be units. In tthe table top game, there was only 1 building that you could buy for your army and deploy as you wanted. It looked like one of those bunkers from SC, cost 50 points (same as a Rhino APC). And they really wherent that good.

So how they go about making defesive buildings guys?

[kyzen]

Originally posted by Joshu
Kenny rushes in Zero Hour (well, until people stopped playing him).

Do I? Again your ignorance shines though! If I did it with... hmm, let's see... MY FIRST UNIT! (a.k.a. A RUSH) Then you would have a leg to stand on. But as Aurora's are pretty much my LAST unit, lets see... it's an ATTACK... Not my fault that you turtle and don't put any pressure on me or Dave, we just sit back unopposed and then run over you. :rolleyes:

[SPOT]

Originally posted by Moo
So how they go about making defesive buildings guys?

yeah as i said earlier tho you can run past them, and they cost about as much as a sm squad.
and they dont really do much in the way of damage.
you really need guys and turrets to be effective, but its just so damn expensive to do that.
once you play you'll know what i mean.

[Moo]

a squad costs the same as a bunker?

hmmm.. in the table top, a marine squad was about 170 points, so...so.... yeah.

[Joshu]

Originally posted by SPOT
once you play you'll know what i mean.
Indeed, I haven't played the game so I don't know jack. :D You can't gain any terrain bonuses with anti-infantry units or anything like that?

I'm not a rusher either (as Kenny stated, I'm a yukky turtler) but I do know that there are usually no-rush game rooms on the internet for most RTSs. (although my experience, as always, is based solely on starcraft) There you shall find the people with sportsmanlike qualities.


And Kenny, just because the Aurora is one of the last units, doesn't mean it isn't the core of a successful rush for that General.

[SPOT]

yeah moos they dont have bunkers just stationary heavy bolter turrets.
turrets are 150 pts marines are 200 for 4.
you can gain terrain bonuses, but those places are normally in no mans land.
there are ways to stop rushes, its just that the game isn't really for turtlers.
you have to be out and about capping points or you'll have no cash.

[Joshu]

Tell me, how does the game go about the customisation of each squad? (ie. Weapon/gear customisation) - would it be tediously long before the game starts, or do you predefine squads before taking them into battle?

I spose I better research this game (http://www.relic.com/product/dawnofwar/), huh.

[SPOT]

you buy a squad of 4 marines and then you can add guys to it for a small cost.
and then add heavy weapons to it as well.

[fungusmungus]

Originally posted by Joshu
Tell me, how does the game go about the customisation of each squad?

just one more reason that the tabletop game was so much better than the computer game

i have a shitload of spare parts and some superglue...

I WRITE MY OWN RULES BABY

[kyzen]

Originally posted by Joshu
And Kenny, just because the Aurora is one of the last units, doesn't mean it isn't the core of a successful rush for that General.

And Joshu, you are wrong agian, you are still saying that something done well into the game is a rush, which is... completely wrong. When me and dave played each other, it was 50-50, because he would keep the pressure on and half the time I wouldn't even get to build aurora's. If you are a shit rts player (i.e. you) and sit in you base till you get spanked, I suppose every attack in your book is a rush...

[Joshu]

Oh well, nobody's perfect.

[radass]

One of my pet hates in the RTS world, is people who cry about rushing. The WHOLE point of the real-time-strategy game, is that everything is based on time, and whoever can make the most out of that time wins. If you were MEANT to wait until you 'had everything' and were comfortable with being attacked, then the game would have been created so that you start with everything.

But they invariably arent, because the game is about time, not comfort. You arent supposed to build every building straight away, nor are you supposed to neglect your begining units in favour of building up to your more powerful ones. Power is relative, so in effect the early units are just as powerful as the strong ones, in their own timeframe. The RTS game is really about learning to balance time and power, any anyone who cant fend off a simple commander+2 swads early game attack and come out on top as a result doesn't really understand this. All that time the wasted getting to your base (as joshu correctly pointed out) really should have been spent on capturing the resource locations with those squads .. once you take out the attack you will find yourself in the position of having captured more resource locations and thus with a greater income. At this point your relative millitary and economic power is much greater than that of your opponent, and you should dominate the rest of the game.

DOW, being a good rts, has made it so that there is the potential for balanced action pretty much right from the start and I think this is a good thing. I want to start playing the game as soon as it starts, not 15 or 20 minutes after that

One last point, is that RTS's are actually balanced on time as well. Consider generals zero hour (a fun but sadly not perfectly balanced rts) .. the infantry general, is fucking tough as fuck (perhaps a little much in fact) right at the start of the game, whereas the superweapons general is weak as piss. add some time however, and the situation is reversed .. the inf gen is pertty much the same as it was, but the super gen has the awesome (slightly too much imo) combination of snipers, emp pats and alpha aroras ...

.. so the game is about time. It's obvious that a fully equiped super gen will defeat a fully equiped inf gen. so the inf gen's task becomes to prevent the super gen from ever achieving that level of relative power, and he'd better get onto that as soon as possible

time ..

time ..

TIME !!! learn to play the early game people ! like a game of chess it dictates how the mid and ultimately end games will play out ! the early game is about giving your mid and end game the best possible chance ..

and shit.

[Joshu]

Originally posted by radass
and shit.

*applause*

I think you've just put a new spin on Zero Hour for me, Dave. Still doesn't change the fact that it's not going to get touched by me in the near future.:D I'll stick to my FPSes.

[radass]

yeah, i'm well over zero hour

Quite fond of Dawn of War though

[Blade]

Yeha i'd be agreeing with the fact that turtleuers suck and don't win often.

a classic example of turtleuers sucking is in age of empires 2, (a classic but still one of the best strat games of all time). the byzantines bee nthe massive defensive army they are get pounded by anyone that does any sort of aggressive attacks. For example whenever i played my brother the first thing he would be doing is wasting resources building walls because he knew that i would atteck after around 15 minutes playing. Then i'd build unit producing buildings just outside the range of towers and keep throwing units into the grinder. i'd win in the end because i controlled basically the entire map and all the resuorces instead of just the couple that i started next to.

In short turtleing sucks and doesn't win games very often. another readon i'm looking forward to dawn of war is that its more based on units and not base defenses like a lot of other games

[radass]

yeah you can't really turtle because

a. your resources totally depend on capturing the strategic points
and b. as you say, there's little in the way of defensive buildings - and they suck

[Griphonix]

turtling worked in TA...

[Blade]

yeah but TA is a has a distinct deference. Firstly Resources were easy to come by and secondly TA's defensive buildings are among the hardest created.

[radass]

they need to remake ta, exactly the same, but using a better looking engine

[Griphonix]

UT:TA?
http://ua.tauniverse.com/

[radass]

omg thats so cool

[FROSTY BoSkitzo]

Damn game sounds fucking awsome.

I'm a greenskin by nature, 40000 and fantasy but Holy fuckity i want that game.

I hope the greenskin rendition was good...:S:S

Either iether, Why is the TEAM AWESOME v2 already up? have you guys gone and done yourselves proud with another nigh undefeatable strategey?

sounds fun

See you guys at Z pwns X

[Nipples]

That game looks nuts!

I'm a Tyanids man in 40k so I'm shattered that they weren't included :(... but I was a Chaos man before that so I'm happy enough (still chaos in fantasy). This might be one of those games where I decided to actually get good at the genre :P... I've primarily sucked at RTS's for a long time (I have a bad habbit of turtling) but I wanna be good at this :D

Does it have any sort of release date? Or even a estimation of when it'll be released?

[radass]

very very soon

maybe even in time for xvz ! but i dont think so

you wont get far turtling in this one :)

[kyzen]

Monday after X they say!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!! At least we will have something to do at MonsterLeech :P

[radass]

hmm
maybe some kind soul will arrange a 'pre-release' :P

[Eoin]

Those charitable good samaritans :)