Nintendo Wii

[Nipples]

Is it gunna be a revolution? Or a failed attempt at getting back into the market.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=704620333 3541612333&q=red+steel

THAT is looking cool. I had uncertain thoughts about the Wii, but THIS has given me hope... lots of hope

[Bignick]

OH EM GEE! that is awesome! as far as next gen consoles go, i was leaning towards the PS3, but after seeing that, and how the controller works, i will be buing a wii (if i have enough cash).
it looks pretty fuckin hard though, would take a lot of time to get used to.

[cvt]

lol, ur a bit slow... what do ya think the e3 post I made is about, and the shit I got shared on ftp.. :P

[Bignick]

that shits too big though :P

[cvt]

it ain't that big :|
:P

[SPOT]

best thing about the Wii is the price.
so people don't have to weigh it all up like a PS3 or say, a house.

most people will prolly get a 360 or an xbox and also get a wii due to the low price and high quality.

i have yet to see anything from sony that impresses me, yes wow awesome graphics, but if dev's are worrying more about getting a game to look good, then the games will be either terrible to play or massively expensive.

[Hammo]

oh the wii will make people go wheeeeeee!!
it will absolutely change gaming.....watch the e3 conference from cvt. dont be a tight arse its worth the watch

[Peter]

the sony PS3, due to its unusual and new archetechure, i heard is proving to be VERY difficult to code for. too many cores to get to work together, so i would predict that the first run of games will be very poor in quality, they might improve and i would hope that they do, but for me its Xbox 360 or more likely WIIIIIIIII :D

[zyaN]

Definately the Wii!
I mean, NINTENDO ROCK!!
They are, in my opinion, the best console!

[Nipples]

lol. I'm prolly gunna get the PS3 and the Wii... 360's haven't appealed to me in terms of games.

[zyaN]

Yeah you should, i would if i had the income.
I really want a PS3, but i am definately getting the Wii.

[dominatrix]

the wii is so going to win.

if i had money, i'd buy one!

[Ratrick]

woot. Wii looks awesome, it wiill be interesting to see how the controller actually turns out. I already have a 360, but after seeing that I might also get a wii. Even though it has a fungal brain tumor for a name, it seems to be advancing into the next generation better than the other two consoles. This is because wii is actually changing the gameplay, while 360 and ps3 are just changing the graphiics and refining the last gen. Because of this the wii is waii better priced than the 360, and the ps3 is priced liike a computer (imo pc every time). The wii is just getting back to simple but fun gamiing, alot like the 1st comp at lanx. This makes it a good second gamiing system. So i think that wii wiill get niintendo back into 2nd or 1st place. The ps3 wiill follow the path of the dreamcast because its so damn expensiive.

[FROSTY BoSkitzo]

I'd get the Wii just because it looks like a fucking AWESOME party machine! imagine novelty comps where ggamers are jumping out of thier seats! come on, it rocks. Plus its FPS are like shooting with a light gun - I so reckon that that is the only way to play an FPS, or with a "head control" as accurate as a mouse. Joysticks were never anygood for aiming, i thought.

Ps3 and XBox360 will be miles out of my pricerange, but although the E3 thing didn't disclose the Wii's price, spot said it'd be dirt cheap

Pay alot in batteries i guess:P

[Hammo]

i am so getting it for the ZELDA!!!!
omg i love zelda's

[SPOT]

check this out,

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/e306-clips-e3-morning-stampede-173469.php

it explains it all.

[cvt]

A offical quote from that ms dude doing the presentation..

You'll be able to buy a Wii and a 360 for the same price of a ps3

Wii will be cheap mate ;)

and thats a nice video

check out the wii line.. 10.30am:)
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/profile/video_player.php?user=Cyb ertronR&id=diM2l2H65bsMuj4

[Harley]

Wii is to have an inbuilt oprea browser. To access the interenet.

And wouldn't you need a semi large Television to beable to control around easily?

[Snazz]

Gameplay and feel > Graphics

[cvt]

Wii is to have an inbuilt oprea browser. To access the interenet.

And wouldn't you need a semi large Television to beable to control around easily?

I'm sure it will too, along with homebrew and a crystal ball of voodoo
link to the news??


and btw...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/11/AR2006051100612.html

interesting for MS to do that...
I think there scared of fail to sony again, I really don;t see why.. PS3 just looks dead in comparison to 360 and Wii anyway... spose the fanboy market is the deciding factor.

[Bignick]

so the projected price range for a nintendo wii should be US$200 - US$300 when it first comes out? that seem quite reasonable

[Peter]

Gameplay and feel > Graphics


damn strait!

i mean we still have Q3 as a comp at lanx, says it all.

quality games, quality system not hyped up graphics, thats what im after :)

[Harley]

Source of opera proof.

http://www.techtree.com/techtree/jsp/article.jsp?article_id=73 122&cat_id=585
(http://www.techtree.com/techtree/jsp/article.jsp?article_id=73 122&cat_id=585)


(http://wiinintendo.net/wp-content/dsbrowser.jpg)

[FROSTY BoSkitzo]

Nice spot, Harley.

Looking good for Wii, is all i can say. Nintendo ha've been out of the markey for a bit. it'll be good ot see this.

[zyaN]

mm, im not sure where i heard this from, and whether it is true or not -
"Apparently" they were going back to cartridges as they were lasting longer and proved more efficient than cds/dvds.
Is this correct, well...maybe not so for the wii, but what do you reckon?

[Peter]

i always liked cartrages, low loading time cant really scratch them, but think of the cost, 4gb game? think of the cost of the flash memory, its simply not viable and wont happen in the near future.

[Bignick]

i doubt it, and really hope not. sure they could make em pretty small, but it would be a pain in the ass.

[zyaN]

hmm, true.

[Peter]

+ the cost. just think of it :|

[zyaN]

Yeah, thinking isn't obviously my forte :P Jokes.
I would love to see them return, but in reality, it ain't probably going to happen.

[cvt]

"Lasting Longer" - depends how its treated and stored
"more efficient" - waaaaaaay untrue..like, crazy wrong, cartridge cost loooooots to make,cd/dvd'scost a couple cents.

They haven't stated dtorage medium for the Wii, all we know is its optical storage...

Currently, Optical storage is the cheapest storage medium with fast seek times, solid state memory is quite expensive, they are doing a BIG cost increase to do a move like that, extremely doubtful, fi they do, the competition could just price there games a little lower, for them to compete,would kill them, thats why Sony with the PS1 could release such cheap platinum editions, Nintendo couldn;t with the 64.

there is only 2 benefits of cartridge, fast loading, very durable to abuse, everything else about them is negetive..
if they want durable they should/would be looking over the fence at what sony did with the MD..

saying they won't, could be wrong, they might decide to do it, for small games, in place of supplying a hdd.

I doubted once, and been proved wrong..
I doubt this 10x more.. but won't say shit :'(

[Harley]

Cartridges is a good idea. That way, apart from cd's itll be difficult to lose.
Itll be more secure than cds because the inside wont beable to be touched unless it was out in the sun. Or in heat. But I wouldn't understand why you would take the cartridges outside in the sun in the first place :P

[Peter]

mmm i loved cartrages! dont have to worry about pissy scratches, dont need to be kept in a case... they were awesome

[zyaN]

"Lasting Longer" - depends how its treated and stored
"more efficient" - waaaaaaay untrue..like, crazy wrong, cartridge cost loooooots to make,cd/dvd'scost a couple cents.

They haven't stated dtorage medium for the Wii, all we know is its optical storage...

Currently, Optical storage is the cheapest storage medium with fast seek times, solid state memory is quite expensive, they are doing a BIG cost increase to do a move like that, extremely doubtful, fi they do, the competition could just price there games a little lower, for them to compete,would kill them, thats why Sony with the PS1 could release such cheap platinum editions, Nintendo couldn;t with the 64.

there is only 2 benefits of cartridge, fast loading, very durable to abuse, everything else about them is negetive..
if they want durable they should/would be looking over the fence at what sony did with the MD..

saying they won't, could be wrong, they might decide to do it, for small games, in place of supplying a hdd.

I doubted once, and been proved wrong..
I doubt this 10x more.. but won't say shit :'(

:P Yeah, i can understand that.

[zyaN]

Cartridges is a good idea. That way, apart from cd's itll be difficult to lose.
Itll be more secure than cds because the inside wont beable to be touched unless it was out in the sun. Or in heat. But I wouldn't understand why you would take the cartridges outside in the sun in the first place :P

"Lasting Longer" - depends how its treated and stored

hmm, kinda relates to the mexican slaves i have in my basement.

[cvt]

hmm

cartridges are open to the air, very 'touchable'
th interface was clumsy and expensive toproduce (think a slot and card isn't? thats te reason the SLOT processors failed and they wwent back to sockets)
Security, as in, copy protection, identical.
i really can;t figure out what he's getting at, so I can't comment?

[Harley]

They can still find ways to improve the use of cartridges. Forget about the snes cases, its the future. IF they do use cartridges. They'd have figured out something else ;)

[Bignick]

another issue is storage, cds are easy cos ya can get wallets that fit heaps. the 64 cartridges were fucking huge, i know they could make em pretty smal nowl, but its still an issue.

[cvt]

they were large, due to cost...

nintendo did the dumbest move in console history releasing the 64, in 2 ways.
cartridge cost and development is massive, sony was able to sell games less than the cost of a cartridge, this is not about to change.
second, they developed 1/2 the 64 with sony, when segas megadrive was a flop, they dumped the optical storage and went back to cartridge, sony owned the ip to the optical side, the contract was broken by nintendo, this turned out to the the PS1..

game sizes are too big to make it viable, games cost way more to produce these days, eveyone wants more profit on each of the levels, and to add $20 of manufacturing cost (maybe more) per game destroys the profit margain like crazy...
5 billion games sold (reasonable figure), thats 100 billion less in profit, thats a huge profit cut, beyond risky, its stupid.

[Nipples]

Yeah, cartridges really aint gunna happen. I honestly reckon that the top two consoles are going to be the Wii and PS3. Wii because it's revolutionary, and PS3 because of the raw power behind it. It won't "go to way of the Dreamcast", because Sega were out of the market LONG before the Dreamcast came out.

[cvt]

The reason dreamcast failed was the copy protection, and massive pirace.. nothing else.
Dreamcast production officially ceased for that reason alone.. Dreamcast pwned ps1 and n64 hard!

Of the (fairly large) group at the uni, since price release and what MS are doing with the 360 and vista, all those looking at ps3 are gonna go wii and/or 360.
even a couple mates who sworn on ps3 from day one have decided against it...
You might be fairly alone buying a $1000 console for 1 good exclusive game, but this won't go the way of the dreamcast, remember dreamcast failed due to piracy, nothing else.

[FROSTY BoSkitzo]

Yeah, kit you even seen any of that e3 shit?

PS3 is gunna be lucky to grade on the sales market compared to Wii and XBX360. well, if they make one sale, i guess that counts for about 2 Xboxes cause theyre so lighly priced (and 6-7 Wiis)

.. is the multiple of Wii, Wiis? wheeze? wiies? wii'? "you have many Wii'" or "i like your Wiis"

[Nipples]

I'm gnna buy a Wii first, wait a year or so, then buy a PS3. PS3's are going to kick the shit out of 360 in terms of power, and that's all the 360 has, power. Like, apart from price, the 360 litterally has NO advantage over PS3 (Unless you count it being a 'media center' and all, but my PC is my media center, why would I need a less effecient console to do that?)

(Oh, and yes, I did watch those e3 confences)

[cvt]

360 has a hell of a lot more than power to offer.. thats all the ps3 has, oh, and tilt controller (hahaha, ms's comment was perfect for that.. I played with one, shit is the only word, also.. 5 degrees of tilt, don't you LOVE the exageration on stage by them :p )
the games being joint between mobile/pc/360, xbox live being joint across them all (since you don't know what it is, when it comes to vista, consider xfire, vent, and teamspeak dead), mce is actually pretty good, there marketplace and arcade are excellent.
oh.. AND they have a good lineup of games..
sony has ffxiii and a prettied up GT4

personally, live is fucking awsome, sonys attempt was pathetic, and the shit they plan on adding, and building it into vista, 1 game on 3 platforms.. thats definately the biggest thing, the one thing you ignored.

like people sayig the wii will die, ignoring the 1 thing.. the controllers.

[Joshu]

when it comes to vista, consider xfire, vent, and teamspeak dead
Nah not TeamSpeak unless Microsoft do something SERIOUSLY right. Vent's already dead, or should be :P

But yeah, it'll 100% supersede Xfire, Windows Live Messenger is set to do that if you ask me - don't know if anyone did notice, maybe I'm pointing out the obvious, but Windows Live Messenger, Xbox Live, means when WLM actually does come out, even for XP, it'll have Xfire's features. I hope we see some legal action, don't want to see Xfire go down without a fight and a half, after all they are first (and best) on the scene (cvt will prove me wrong).

Integration is where it's at, especially if it's at no real "cost" to the end user (where the cost of Vista counts toward the "Live" subscription).

And for the record, I reckon the 360 + PC are where it's at for gaming in the future. I feel sort of sad to say it, but it certainly looks that way (although I've not watched the PS3 press conference yet for lack of time).

[Nipples]

Personally, I'm not into online console gaming. The reason I play consoles is for more of a social gaming experience, like a few mates having some drinks and playing some consolage. If I wanted to play games online, I've got a computer, and even then, I don't dig it... at all. Either that, or playing a type of game that is only good on a console, like Metal Gear Solid, but those game sare essentially single player anyway (I know they're going to have online gameplay for it, but it's not what I play it for). I commend MS for doing it, but it's useless for me. So PS3 seems like the go for me

[cvt]

I don't think windows live messenger is even close to what the dashboard haves to offer in vista, its just the first step.

I always wanted to see msn die, I always hated it, and still do, msn is soon going to be a integral part of something I do like, xbl, its all commin together nicely.. not particualy the way I expected..
vent is far from dead, just dead for the tiny servers.
the way the new xbl uses voice chat, and there channels, free hosting (well, live subscription) for as many in any channel ya want, there voice quality is quite acceptable.. almost everyone I play against in nfs, q4 and uno have headset, it is very nice, having that kind of 'auto join per server/side' and manually made chat rooms.. is something quite special..

edit: yes, better than the shit included in hl mods.
you really need to use it to appreciate it.

[Joshu]

I don't think windows live messenger BETA is even close to what the dashboard haves to offer in vista, its just the first step.
Fixed that for you.

it is very nice, having that kind of 'auto join per server/side'
Savage had a mod made for it (Ex2-5b) which autojoined you to your team's Teamspeak server, using Teamspeak's relatively easy API. Showed who was saying what, too. Just... putting that out there, ya know. :P

[cvt]

theres a few that do similair, i know, but in every game? a universal system is pretty nice..

and that first correction I'll accept :)
but I doubt they will give full features, they need to sell vista on MCE features and something else..
can always be proven wrong ;)

[cvt]

what makes me think that is the 360 + windows atm.
can stream music and pics from desktop..
for video you need MCE or Vista.
no reason other than to force people to buy the new OS's

[Bignick]

market expansion can only come through innovation and not by simply increasing visual quality

so true...


anybody know if nintendo plan on making an old school type of controller aswell?

[dominatrix]

for the wii?

i think i read somewhere you turn the controller 90degrees and use it like an old skool nes controller.

[cvt]

lol... the wii classic controller...
man you cunts have no idea.. was planned sicne day one, and is still there... was in the glass cabinets and being used on the virtual console games.

[Gelsamel]

Microsoft fucked themselfs by releasing so early, and with basically only a graphical improvement on the original Xbox, Microsoft is going to lose big on that one. The Wii's idea is revolutionary and is one of those things which will either flop or be the latest craze and with the results from E³ it looks to be leaning toward the latter. With PS3 following suit and installing a -type- of motion sensing in their controller it's just another indication about the direction of gaming.

I know I'll get a Wii, I'll take gameplay over HD everyday (especially since I don't have a HD TV).

~Gelsamel

Btw, Red Steel is going to kick ass! And there is supposed to be a Bleach game being released on the Wii too! I can't wait!

[Samfoote]

Microsoft fucked themselfs by releasing so early, and with basically only a graphical improvement on the original Xbox, Microsoft is going to lose big on that one.

What exactly is microsoft losing? Money? I don't know if it's true, but with such a huge headstart over the other consoles and the ridiculous dmeand (especially in the USA) I don't think Microsoft is losing anything? If anything they are doing far better than the others which havn't even been released yet!

[Gelsamel]

What exactly is microsoft losing? Money? I don't know if it's true, but with such a huge headstart over the other consoles and the ridiculous dmeand (especially in the USA) I don't think Microsoft is losing anything? If anything they are doing far better than the others which havn't even been released yet!

Not money - profit. If they spent another year/half-year improving it more. Putting in some more innovations, maybe making it a bit cheaper and releasing maybe just before or after the others they would make way more money, and be way more popular. Look at Gamecube, sure they didn't lose any money on it, but their reputation and popularity was ruined, all that was left were the few die-hard N-fans (fanboys). If Microsoft isn't carefull they could end up the same way (not that they havn't already, they have a really large fanboy network! :P).

[dominatrix]

but by releasing early, the microsoft has a few advantages:
1) early adopters
2) time for the console to mature
3) there will be WAY more titles on 360 than ps3 when it is eventually released
4) 360 hasn't had half as many issues as i reckon the ps3 will.

[Gelsamel]

but by releasing early, the microsoft has a few advantages:
1) early adopters
2) time for the console to mature
3) there will be WAY more titles on 360 than ps3 when it is eventually released
4) 360 hasn't had half as many issues as i reckon the ps3 will.

1 is weak, when Wii and PS3 are released it doesn't matter anymore, also, with upgrading it more and releasing later, they will get more adopters in general.
2 is true, but in reality what does that actually do for Microsoft at all? Especially if they're console is an upgraded Xbox.
3 Not with all the large game makers moving to Wii and PS3. And even if it does manage to get more titles they'll all be low quality compared to Wii and PS3 games.
4 Not sure what you mean by this, is this supposed to be an advantage?

Anyway I see it, Microsoft is shitting themselfs right now (maybe they're not! maybe they don't know that they're fucked). Oh well, in the end we'll all buy the console we like and play the games we like, who cares about the others.

~Gelsamel

[krooga]

Not with all the large game makers moving to Wii and PS3l

Last time I checked, game programmers were scared of the PS3. And rightly so.

[Gelsamel]

Last time I checked, game programmers were scared of the PS3. And rightly so.

I can't imagine why, PS3 has a massive fanbase of hardcore-type players that don't mind paying the $1000 for it.

[krooga]

I can't imagine why, PS3 has a massive fanbase of hardcore-type players that don't mind paying the $1000 for it.

I fail to see the relevance of this. My comment was in reference to the underlying hardware architecture of the PS3 and its Cell processor. The two main disadvantages often cited are:
1. Difficulty of parallel programming, particularly for computer graphics rendering.
2. Difficulty of portability.

I'm not sure how much of an issue these things will turn out to be, but at this stage they appear to be fairly limiting factors.

[Gelsamel]

I fail to see the relevance of this. My comment was in reference to the underlying hardware architecture of the PS3 and its Cell processor. The two main disadvantages often cited are:
1. Difficulty of parallel programming, particularly for computer graphics rendering.
2. Difficulty of portability.

I'm not sure how much of an issue these things will turn out to be, but at this stage they appear to be fairly limiting factors.

Well, there are ways around everything.

[cvt]

This is a joke isn't it?

WHERE THE HELL DO PEOPLE LIKE YOUE COME FROM?
Is Counterstrike updating or something..??

You have no idea at all of the management of technological aspects of, well, from what your saying, anything, so just stick to what you understand, which seems to be very little, or stop trying to tell other (who may also be wrong) with using statement that are untrue in themselves!

but by releasing early, the microsoft has a few advantages:
1) early adopters <-- true
2) time for the console to mature <- maybe, not really
3) there will be WAY more titles on 360 than ps3 when it is eventually released <- very true
4) 360 hasn't had half as many issues as i reckon the ps3 will. <- not valid

1 is weak, when Wii and PS3 are released it doesn't matter anymore, also, with upgrading it more and releasing later, they will get more adopters in general. <- Incorrect
2 is true, but in reality what does that actually do for Microsoft at all? Especially if they're console is an upgraded Xbox. <- This is just plain stupid
3 Not with all the large game makers moving to Wii and PS3. And even if it does manage to get more titles they'll all be low quality compared to Wii and PS3 games. <- Large makers are moving to 360, or multiplatform, ps3 has almost no exclusive content, how is there any truth in this at all? Wii has very little large game makers moving there way in comparison. No good making things up to support a personal opinion, you will go the way of jesperado otherwise.
4 Not sure what you mean by this, is this supposed to be an advantage? <- depends in what way he means, but invalid.

Anyway I see it, Microsoft is shitting themselfs right now (maybe they're not! maybe they don't know that they're fucked). Oh well, in the end we'll all buy the console we like and play the games we like, who cares about the others. <-- atm, MS has the most advatages, and everything going for them, opposite to PS3. Wii can be safely considered a seperate category.

~Gelsamel <- Jesperado?

I can't imagine why, PS3 has a massive fanbase of hardcore-type players that don't mind paying the $1000 for it.

Because of development enviroment, and user base, as well as other technical aspects.

Well, there are ways around everything.

Work arounds take time, cost big money, and mean sacrifices, you not see?

Not money - profit. If they spent another year/half-year improving it more. Putting in some more innovations, maybe making it a bit cheaper and releasing maybe just before or after the others they would make way more money, and be way more popular. Look at Gamecube, sure they didn't lose any money on it, but their reputation and popularity was ruined, all that was left were the few die-hard N-fans (fanboys). If Microsoft isn't carefull they could end up the same way (not that they havn't already, they have a really large fanboy network! :P).

And THIS is the post you never should have made.
this really should be retracted, its just bullshit, and you know it.
the 360 has more innovations that are practical and will create a better gaming experience than the ps3.
the 360 has more games lined up for it, and will have a very large selection by november.
not all ps3 launch games will be available on november launch for the ps3
tilt controller is rubbish, after you buy one, tell me how much you use it and how awsome it is!

If you knew at ALL ANYTHING about them...
the PS3 is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY overrushed, it is severly rushed.
the 360 was very close to not making the launch, was rushed, and as a consequence, got 512M ram and 3.2ghz x3 cores instead of 3.5ghz x3 cores and 356M ram. and is also the reason for the severe lack available at launch
the PS3 has much more against them than this.
but making the numbers will be easy regardless of the demand.. because instead of getting it to work, there using work-arounds, and just getting it out of development.
Wii are taking there time.

[dominatrix]

WHERE THE HELL DO PEOPLE LIKE YOUE COME FROM?
Is Counterstrike updating or something..??

Yes.. :(

4 Not sure what you mean by this, is this supposed to be an advantage? <- depends in what way he means, but invalid.?

i mean like, 'rep' i suppose. personally, 6 months ago i was all for ps3, but as of late i've had my doubts. Some of the problems, whether true or not, lost sony a few brownie points IMO

[Gelsamel]

And THIS is the post you never should have made.
this really should be retracted, its just bullshit, and you know it.
the 360 has more innovations that are practical and will create a better gaming experience than the ps3.
the 360 has more games lined up for it, and will have a very large selection by november.
not all ps3 launch games will be available on november launch for the ps3
tilt controller is rubbish, after you buy one, tell me how much you use it and how awsome it is!

If you knew at ALL ANYTHING about them...
the PS3 is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY overrushed, it is severly rushed.
the 360 was very close to not making the launch, was rushed, and as a consequence, got 512M ram and 3.2ghz x3 cores instead of 3.5ghz x3 cores and 356M ram. and is also the reason for the severe lack available at launch
the PS3 has much more against them than this.
but making the numbers will be easy regardless of the demand.. because instead of getting it to work, there using work-arounds, and just getting it out of development.
Wii are taking there time.

Lets list the 360 innovations shall we. Lets see Wireless controller which costs $100, awesome. Replacable panel on the Xbox so you can put neat little colorfull things there... umm... updates to xbox live?.... uuh... what else.... Hmm I'll think of the rest later, but you're right, there is so many good innovations(!)

Here I just searched "Xbox innovations" on google and this I what brought up http://atomiq.org/archives/2005/11/xbox_360_optimization_not _innovation.html

So how about we cool it a bit. Just because I said it doesn't have many changes rather then graphical updates, or that they've lost profit, doesn't mean that I think the Xbox 360 is shit! I actually think it's pretty good, what I'm saying is that it could've been way better if they waited a while, I'm not ragging on your console of choice (if that happens to be what it is), I'm ragging on Microsoft for releasing early, and ruining(in a sense) what could potentially be a godly console.

As for the tilt controller, personally I think it's bullshit. I just mentioned it to reinforce that Sony are trying to stick motion sensitivity into their console and that that shows that motion sensitivity etc. is the right way to go.

As for the better gaming experience I save my judgement for when the consoles are actually released.

[dominatrix]

lol, they saw wii and fjeared their epeen

[Zenon]

cvt i agree i think we have a new ethug on the forums i give him 2 days before the abuse starts

[Gelsamel]

Oh yes, teh mighty ethug!1!one who will stop this menacing villian!? He will attack and hurt you with his opinion by posting it on forums for people to read and selectively judge if they wish to accept that as being true or not!1 oh noez someone stop the bad man! :rolleyes:

[cvt]

I don't 'think' we do zenon..

[Joshu]

i like him :)

[cvt]

Lets list the 360 innovations shall we. Lets see Wireless controller which costs $100, awesome. Replacable panel on the Xbox so you can put neat little colorfull things there... umm... updates to xbox live?.... uuh... what else.... Hmm I'll think of the rest later, but you're right, there is so many good innovations(!)
\if ya wanna get technical, the Wii is the only innovative console.
the other 2 are just suped up SNES's

[dominatrix]

which is a suped up nes! it's all in the name!

[Gelsamel]

\if ya wanna get technical, the Wii is the only innovative console.
the other 2 are just suped up SNES's

I guess, if you want to make it that basic. Apart from the PS3's pathetic excuse for motion sensing, at least they gave it a shot.

[cvt]

which is a suped up nes! it's all in the name!

heh :P