MS in trouble?

[cvt]

Just my thoughts.. I'll explain them

MS came from nothing, bought DOS of some dude.. sold it to IBM (simplified history as you can see)
there next big step was Windows 3.1
in no time they brought out 3.11.. added network support. a decent update
Huge upgrade.. Welcome to Windows 95
NT project was started
98 Was a nice update to 95
NT4 became good for servers
2000 came out, a desktop OS based on the NT engine
added better compatibilty, XP

this was there last decent move..
6 Years later.. we have Win XP
we also have MCE.. a little app and a new skin
Vista on the horizon.. still just an update to NT.

Thats the OS side of things..

Office needed every update.. to.. oh, about '97
2000 came out, it was worth the update..
office XP was basically a skin
2003 was another skin
2007 is basically a new look and feel, as much as it is nice (IMO) its nothing new.

This is showing 6 years of nothing impressive on the 2 biggest things MS has..

yes, they have x64, its recompiled to support 64bit, its nothing new either..


A software company sells software.. they make money from software sales.
MS is pushing heaps of free apps, most notable MSN.
why.. to sell advertising..
a software company should be buying advertising.. not selling it..
MSN search... same reason as above...

the only thing MS has done thats been worth mentioning was the release of xbox and xbox360.
xbox was a loss of a few billion dollars to the company..

Not saying there gonna go under, they'll keep making sales.. but the amount of sales to what they should be doing is terrible..

lastly, look at the stock market for MS over the past 6 years..
a good software company should be on a continual rise.. specially with the increase in computers in the market..
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=MSFT&t=my
what does that show..

exactly where they ran out of ideas.. 6 years ago..

compare it to a company that have admitted they are having a hard time... Apple.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=AAPL&t=my
even there not looking as unhealthy as microsoft..
not to mention once the x86 macs come out you can expect a new surge..

Considering the increase in MS being a advertising medium, the very little amount of advertising they do themselves, the new devisions they've created..

there dead in the water.. IMO if they don't pull something off soon before apple get a decent grounding there gonna start going backwards..


whats your opinions?

[Joshu]

i'm going to buy vista
troll ends here

[Snazz]

Microsoft still dominates the software market with Windows and Office, despite this apparent lack of ideas. Ads suck but there's always a way to avoid them, such as the mess patches for MSN which completely removes all ads and other unwanted features like MSN Search.

Also, doesn't Microsoft own Apple these days?

[Hammo]

apple prolly wont get much of a grasp of the firm. Everything is practically Windows based and maybe apple would if the developers would go towards apple. It is all about money and what has the most of the marker.
as in x86 has about 90% or something and apple the remaining bit so who would developers choose......

[cvt]

MS owns a chunk of apple, thats all.

I never said they were gonna die or dissapear, was saying there innovation side is fucked.. they are way off of going forwards, and are 'grasping at straws' to try and keep there current position, let alone moving forward.

there userbase is massive, and there a de-facto standard, unless they start losing that, there gonna stay where they are..
the Software available to the mac and *nix have both been massively increasing in the last few years, there no longer no threat of MS.
regardless that MS owns some of the company, they are still competition. even though they shouldn't be.

The weirdest think is MS dealing with IBM for the xbox.. 6 years ago that would have been the last company they would have opened arms too.. If you know what went on between the 2, you'll know just how strange this is.

MS are no longer trying to dominate through innovative products (for the PC), they are trying to spread as wide as they can, as every area they are in is not doing as good as it used to.. even to the point of making deals with companys that have been corporate and personal enemies for >15 years.


Apple is a hardware company..
MS is a software compnay, that wasn't the best comparison, but MS is still the strongest software company around regardless.

[FROSTY BoSkitzo]

So where does Random Hero come into this? Surely to be used as a weapon by microsoft on thier enemies and dominate the world from thier termially "dead-in-the-water" perch?

On a more serious note, Surely MS would be losing sales on this? if another Software company comes up with a new, better, innovative OS, MS would go under if the OS got out there, and was compatable.

you know, could this be anything akin to Intel versus AMD, or Nvidia vs ...those other video cards? ATI!?

[Bignick]

On a more serious note, Surely MS would be losing sales on this? if another Software company comes up with a new, better, innovative OS, MS would go under if the OS got out there, and was compatable.


MS would just buy them out

[FROSTY BoSkitzo]

.....Point.

[mudgie]

I dunno, have any competitors come out with any good ideas for them to steal lately?

[cvt]

Haha, I like your point mudgie...

Frosty.. be something hard to do, like I said, the only one thats got a chance is OSX, and as there keeping the software locked to Apple hardware (which can run windows) its not gonna do a single thing about it..
I really don't see them dissapearing in the near future..

but yeh, random hero could have a job there.. send them to the 'competition'.. theres only so much stupidity people can take before they have a breakdown :P .. and I'm sure it works on a scale, the smarter they are, the quicker the effect takes place :P

[Aphotic]

You poor misguided fools... i see people mentioning MS going under if someone released a better, compatible OS.... MS sues THE SHIT out of anyone or anything it can every single day. If its compatible. they own it. or think they do. and its gonna stay that way a long time... this is bad for anyone trying to take em on but eventually will be good.... since to take them on someone would have to develop something really out of the blue, users would hate it but it would become widespread among our power hungry majority after a while
also:
people are stupid, so most home users will fork out cash for vista (god save us all...) once MS starts whoring and making shit that would work fine in XP or Vista, only available on vista, i heard thats whats happening to halo 2 and it everything else will follow... its time to switch to Mac... i hated mac once upon a time... but now i see the light thanks to Timmy Z and his mac laptop, i dont like the interface but given the choice i think thats the way im heading.... also MS go under ftw every business in the western world pays for legal copys of its crap

[X-ZemPt]

I think Apple suck. Windows is ok. And programmers should make programs/games compatable with Linux. Or Linux does a bit of change so can run stuff designed for Windows.

[Joshu]

I think Apple suck.
Am I allowed to guess how many times you've used an Apple machine?

[dominatrix]

I think Apple suck.

YOU fucking suck, noob

[zyaN]

Fuck x-zempt, you truly are a dumb shit, aren't you?
Rehetorical Question - don't bother answering!
IF, you were into media, and film making...
You would see the possibilities Apple allow you to work with.

[dominatrix]

Fuck x-zempt, you truly are a dumb shit, aren't you?

To answer this rhetorical question - yes.

IF, you were into media, and film making...
You would see the possibilities Apple allow you to work with.

Even if you arent, you have to appreciate simply how fucking awesome apples are.

[Peter]

I think Apple suck. Windows is ok. And programmers should make programs/games compatable with Linux. Or Linux does a bit of change so can run stuff designed for Windows.

... dude, windows code is compatible with most versions of linux, you can run office, most games. take the time to research your posts befor you say something silly... or ATLEAST know what your talking about

http://www.transgaming.com/
its not perfect, but its getting there

[Joshu]

windows code is compatible with most versions of linux
no no no and no
it's emulatable with linux though
cvt plz provide the correct term

http://www.transgaming.com/
its not perfect, but its getting there
and costing money, typical HAY LETZ MAEK MUNNY FROM DA LEENUX attitude fags

[Peter]

yeah, yeah emulate, blah blah :)

but think of all that money you are saving by getting a linux distrobution rather than paying for a genuine copy of windows ;o heheh

[zyaN]

...
Even if you arent, you have to appreciate simply how fucking awesome apples are.
I totally agree!

[cvt]

cvt plz provide the correct term

Its a compatibility layer, an "Implementation of the Windows API ontop of X".
the quotes is what your looking for ;)

Its not emulation ;)

[cvt]

oh.. to add to that...

OSX 10.5..
Most likely going to have the Windows API implemented (XP version)
remember apple and ms's 10yr cross liscencing deal.. XP is included in that (expired 2002)
so native XP apps (done a lot better that crossoffice, wine, winex/transgaming most likely) to be running on OSX.

although it is just (fairly reliable) romour, its claimed to run the same as rosetta

tbh I ran OSX86 for a while on my notebook.. and I garentee you my next notebook will be an Intel mac..
desktop, I still want the flexibility of hardware and apple arn't allowing that :(