Windows Vista Beta 2 release

[Blake]

Hi guys,

I recently installed Windows Vista/Longhorn ( What ever you wanna call it)
it is incredable i recomend if you have a spare 3 GB of download that you go
for it or leech it off me i will be at the next LANX.

The graphics and setting are unreal the only problem is it is the Beta 2 Release
or atleast a build based on beta 2. So you have a 14 day activation code so get
what you can out of it.

Dont install it on the same harddrive as your windows XP otherwise you cant
have MOS ( multiple operating systems). My mate did it and had to format and
reinstall windows XP.

I really like it and recomend you download it and have a look at it.



Regards Blake

[zyaN]

im goin to have to say asta la vista for a while...

[Aphex]

Hi guys,

I recently installed Windows Vista/Longhorn ( What ever you wanna call it)
it is incredable i recomend if you have a spare 3 GB of download that you go
for it or leech it off me i will be at the next LANX.

The graphics and setting are unreal the only problem is it is the Beta 2 Release
or atleast a build based on beta 2. So you have a 14 day activation code so get
what you can out of it.

Dont install it on the same harddrive as your windows XP otherwise you cant
have MOS ( multiple operating systems). My mate did it and had to format and
reinstall windows XP.

I really like it and recomend you download it and have a look at it.



Regards Blake


Death to Vista as far as i'm concerned...
I have had every release of longhorn and vista pre beta's and offical beta's... it is shit...

the code structure of Vista is ok, dosn;t match XP, gamers will have all sorts of hell getting there high end games running on that crappy OS...
Same goes for XP x64 what a waste of money... Intel 64bit users should stay away from that for a while... the 64bit extensions on those CPU types don't even come close to those of the AMD 64bit systems...

Generally Vista, x64XP, server 2003 etc are not a viable OS for gamers... if someone wants to see how crappy there comp will run playing games and such install a 64bit OS... excluding linux and Unix...

[zyaN]

I wanted to see what the xp64bit was going to be like...and i agree, it was a let down for games and such.

[Aphex]

I have a mate who is running a Celery 2.6Ghz 64bit Intel sock 755.. using x64XP, can;t even get the games that support x64bit windows to run, he expected the world when he downloaded the FarCry 64bit eye candy shit...

in the end he couldn;t un that game anything past 20fps... i mean celery 1st prob... 2nd prob X1600Pro... what a pile of shit!!! LOL

[zyaN]

Yeah, they're pretty high expectations....
Happy 800th zyaN!!!

[dominatrix]

i installed x64xp on my emt64 3.4, i chucked on sonar 5 and the thing ran like nothing else! 60 seperate tracks and less than 20% usage, compared to 40 - 50% in regular windows.

[Solace]

Death to Vista as far as i'm concerned...
I have had every release of longhorn and vista pre beta's and offical beta's... it is shit...

the code structure of Vista is ok, dosn;t match XP, gamers will have all sorts of hell getting there high end games running on that crappy OS...
Same goes for XP x64 what a waste of money... Intel 64bit users should stay away from that for a while... the 64bit extensions on those CPU types don't even come close to those of the AMD 64bit systems...

Generally Vista, x64XP, server 2003 etc are not a viable OS for gamers... if someone wants to see how crappy there comp will run playing games and such install a 64bit OS... excluding linux and Unix...

What Os do you recomend Aphex?
ps congrats Zyan

[dominatrix]

whats wrong with regular win xp?

seriously, its fine!

[Solace]

I just feel like a change i guess, i have a version of slack ware lying at home i should probably install it, and see what it is like.

[mudgie]

I'm curious, but not enough to install it just yet. I couldn't give a flying intercourse about the bloated graphical nightmare that Vista is... And can't imagine how it will stomp on frame rates.

[Aphex]

x64bit Win XP is far more efficent than 32bit windows XP with memory managment, Intel CPU's were always better at multitasking , and multimedia shit than AMD's although i have had many instances with the engineering of the Intel CPU's to think there 64bit extensions are only virtual, and not physical rendering them as use less as the socket 472 CPU's with hyperthreading, with a virtual "second" CPU core...

anyway enough of that...

the basic code structure for XP 64bit with multitasking will always favour the Intel CPU's...
as far as games go, nothing beats an AMD dual core with "real" physical 64bit capabilities... the OS of recommendation is still XP Pro 32bit... service pack 3 for this is estimated to be released in the next 12 months... but could be delayed with the delay of DX10...

[Solace]

somone should stomp on bill gates's balls for charging so much for his buggy software, i think you should actually get paid for the first few months of using half of microsofts shitbecuase of the amount of problems with it.

[Joshu]

If you want pretty graphics, bring on XGL for Linux. (http://www.testanswers.info/video/) (click the bottommost link, for XGL)

[mudgie]

^^^

(Won't let you grab the video unless you visit http://www.testanswers.info/video/ and click on it from there).

[cvt]

somone should stomp on bill gates's balls for charging so much for his buggy software, i think you should actually get paid for the first few months of using half of microsofts shitbecuase of the amount of problems with it.

You make a better one then

[cvt]

x64bit Win XP is far more efficent than 32bit windows XP with memory managment, Intel CPU's were always better at multitasking , and multimedia shit than AMD's although i have had many instances with the engineering of the Intel CPU's to think there 64bit extensions are only virtual, and not physical rendering them as use less as the socket 472 CPU's with hyperthreading, with a virtual "second" CPU core...

anyway enough of that...

the basic code structure for XP 64bit with multitasking will always favour the Intel CPU's...
as far as games go, nothing beats an AMD dual core with "real" physical 64bit capabilities... the OS of recommendation is still XP Pro 32bit... service pack 3 for this is estimated to be released in the next 12 months... but could be delayed with the delay of DX10...

XP 64bit is IMO fine if you have the drivers to suit all your hardware, and the software you use is compatible.
If not, Keep using XP Pro as most people (inlcuding myself) are.

[cvt]

I really like it and recomend you download it and have a look at it.



Regards Blake


I'll joing the rest...
Its cool to look at something new, but pfft.
The only new thing MS has on the horizon that intrests me is the new Office, I really prefer using it to the old one.

[Aphex]

cvt are you reffering to the Office 2006 suite as appose to the 2003 suite of MS office software?
or are you talking older than that? or newer than that?

[Blake]

if none wants to download and use it.... if they only want the looks you can download a 50MB file thats
makes your pc windows XP look like Vista.... its a theme im not sure where i got it but it looks good and
almost exact to what vista looks like it deosnt run any slower than the XP theme.

Vista also comes with media player 11 and explorer 7 .... explorer 7 is basically mozilla and media play 11
just looks good.
i have had many problems with vista drivers.....sound.... i set upo my 5.1 sorrouind on it... it only supports
stereo atm yet another microsoft bug..

[zyaN]

..... its a theme im not sure where i got it but it looks good and
almost exact to what vista looks like it deosnt run any slower than the XP theme............

Why would it run any slower? If its a theme, it should just cover the default...

[Aphex]

Blake, your lucky, unlike many other newbie's to the forums not to get shit and pissed on (yet) anyway, I have to ask, how much computer experiance have you actually had? alot of people if they havn't by now experianced a 64bit OS... they are designed to be exactly the same as far as an OS goes, the release of x64 XP was not an upgrade of Windows XP Pro or Home, yet only to support the 64bit technology...
these things with IE 7 and WMP11 are nothing special there exactly the same in regular windows, IE is always going to be gay, Firefox is widely known as the browser of chioice there's really no need to explain the small differences in this "lacking" OS called vista... Vista like x64bit WinXP are nothing special over WinXP now anyway? why kill your PC with Vista if your hardware can;t support it, and how many people here at the LANX forums actually have hardware that supports 64bit OS's drivers??? less than 33% i bet?

Yeah sure it'll work just like any other OS as long as your old crappy hardware has some form of 64bit driver support, or else your fucked....

Generally speaking, selling the idea of something like a M$ product shouldn;t be done, because there will always be conflict in opinions... and for most i know wouldn;t touch Vista if there primary use for computing is gamming...
cvt is right, people will continue to use what they know, until something ground breaking happens? like ohh i don't know sweet fking frame rates in games with crappy hardware? now that would be a good reason to upgrade... not that's actually true!!!

[dominatrix]

when vista eventually hits retail, i think most would be wise to just stick with xp for the first few months.. just let the bugs get ironed out. then it should be a pretty sweet OS.

[Joshu]

Dualbooting remains an option for Vista if you ask me.

[[TC] Loki]

I think I'll be buying Vista at release and testing it on one of my other PCs rather than my laptop from the start.

After 5 or 6 years Microsoft must have made it atleast a little reliable...

[cvt]

Dualbooting remains an option for Vista if you ask me.

Noone asked you, and for many valid reasons, they didn't ask you.

cvt are you reffering to the Office 2006 suite as appose to the 2003 suite of MS office software?
or are you talking older than that? or newer than that?

2006 vs, well
2003 was pretty much a skinned xp, so yes, reffering to last generation office.

i have had many problems with vista drivers.....sound.... i set upo my 5.1 sorrouind on it... it only supports
stereo atm yet another microsoft bug..

The bug you speak of relates directly to the externals of the case.
I don't beleive MS are doing anything to fix these issues yet...
the exploding computer may be something of the future, but theres no real hardware support for it yet...
DAMN MS BUGS!

Moreover... I may as well make another reply since kenny turned off its ability to reply in the last post.

Loki']After 5 or 6 years Microsoft must have made it atleast a little reliable...

If you are after games/office suite/general crap XP IS reliable.
if its not reliable, its the user, or the hardware, and if you built the hardware, its definately BOTH!

and if you really hate Windows so much, go buy a mac...

Either appreciate it for what it is, or don;t fucking use it, if you wanna whinge about it, tell peolpe dumbenough to listen to your crap, that is, tell yourself.

and if you think I'm pro windows,you have NFI, but this garbage is just an excuse for you having an unstable peice of shit computer built around stupidity and gigabyte.

[[TC] Loki]

If you are after games/office suite/general crap XP IS reliable.
if its not reliable, its the user, or the hardware, and if you built the hardware, its definately BOTH!

Actually, when I made my comment about Windows being unreliable I was refing to the inherrant instability of the first, totally pre patch version of any operating system. I wasn't taking a shot at Windows in general.

and if you really hate Windows so much, go buy a mac...

I am making this post from my iMac. I could have also made it from my Linux server.

I don't hate Windows. I have a huge variety of experiance in the various OS platforms both in home use and in enterprise enviroments and I can tell you now - I plan to work in Microsoft enviroments atleast for the forseeable future, and I can never see myself totally removing Windows from my own computers.

Either appreciate it for what it is, or don;t fucking use it, if you wanna whinge about it, tell peolpe dumbenough to listen to your crap, that is, tell yourself.

Get fucked :)

[cvt]

Loki']Actually, when I made my comment about Windows being unreliable I was refing to the inherrant instability of the first, totally pre patch version of any operating system. I wasn't taking a shot at Windows in general.

That won't change.
Technology in the computer area is pushed out as fast as possible (regardless of what it may seem) and there is very little time put into the integrity of the product compared to that of other areas of engineering, therefor it is inheritingly going to be imperfect.

Loki']I am making this post from my iMac. I could have also made it from my Linux server.

and I coulda made this post from my PSP, not my point :P

Loki']I don't hate Windows. I have a huge variety of experiance in the various OS platforms both in home use and in enterprise enviroments and I can tell you now - I plan to work in Microsoft enviroments atleast for the forseeable future, and I can never see myself totally removing Windows from my own computers.

Then why join in on the midless arguemnts?

Loki']Get fucked :)

That a hint big boy? :D :D :D

Loki']Windows Vista Beta 2... 09-04-2006 01:57 PM [TC] Loki wow... worst case of PMS ever. - Loki.

Its not PMS, its permentant....
Love it, or learn to love it motherfucker.

[X-ZemPt]

Loki']After 5 or 6 years Microsoft must have made it atleast a little reliable...

Bullshit!

[Blake]

In answer to your question aphex i have had experience with computers im not a complete n00b who wonders what a god dam CPU is i agree that people will stick with XP because it is something they are familiar with although vista is infact easier to use but it seems harder because it is new.

I also agree with your thouhts on 64 bit windows i cant see the point behind it a 64bit CPU runs a 64Bit program at the same speed a 32Bit would run a 32Bit program but some people just want to say they have the best and the latest i would not get vista when it comes out i would maybe in a year or 2 when it has got to the stage where most programs and drivers will be for vista.

[Scuba Steve]

Hmmm i dont know it is still windows.

Eat it Gates![

[zyaN]

Oh noes, im arroused by that 404

[Blake]

Oh noes, im arroused by that 404


ok perhaps i am a little desturebed by that statement in fact thats extremly desturbing

[Aphex]

Blake,
things arn't hard because there new, next to that simply people will upgrade if they need different requirements...

yeah people usually hear "ohh yeah Vista huh?" they don't care,. something new to look at, ultimatly if you can use it good, if not it's a pointless waste of money, but as mentioned, windows is all the same...ever since Win 95. and WinNT4.0 it's become more about astetics, and hardware compatibility, ease of use etc...
Vista is just simply another link in a very long chain...

[Joshu]

Vista is just simply another link in a very long chain...
Anyone have some boltcutters?

[<3 Ropey]

i have super pro haxs if that could help

[dominatrix]

its pretty much the same thing as when xp came out, would you really still be using windows 98 or 2000?

[<3 Ropey]

i kept using 98 for ages i WAS a big n00b

[Snazz]

Vista's features look attractive, and Microsoft is promoting it as more secure and reliable then XP.

Bit concerned about how games will perform on Vista, since it looks like it'll use more precious RAM then XP.

[<3 Ropey]

just means some n00bs are gunna have to upgrade

[Snazz]

Exactly, and it looks like DirectX 10 (only for Vista) will make better use of graphics resources for games: http://www.gamespot.com/features/6143883/p-4.html

[<3 Ropey]

damn so internet the page has serious been loading for atleast 3 min now and still blank white page

[Boris_Stephens]

when vista eventually hits retail, i think most would be wise to just stick with xp for the first few months.. just let the bugs get ironed out. then it should be a pretty sweet OS.
They have built this operating system 5342 (Compiled and tested), by mid next year I would have hoped that they would have nutted out the major bugs... But then again it is Microsoft someone is bound to find a flaw.

The operating system could be installed by a 4year old no joke its so bloody easy. Put in the date / Language / Licence Key press next walk away come back put in your Username Password and log in.

The build impressed me graphically at how it ran stable but then again im running a 3500+ with 1gig of DDR ram and a 6600GT so I would hope it ran good. To run this Operating System you need a DX9 card so they say. Looks nice, once again drivers were not too bad to find / install and ran ok apart from Graphics drivers towards games shit FPS basically. But i was surprised to see that Internet Explorer did not lagg as a I scrolled down with just the Default Drivers.

One thing thats annoying is when you do anything liturally open System Properties bam would you like to allow this, would you like to allow this file to be deleted Yes, would you like to allow windows to allow this command to delete this file.

Also auto-detected my Duel Monitor display and asked me what i wanted to do Duel Display, Clone Display etc. and even loaded a bloody HOWTO / Tutorial / Explenation (Simple one) of what the hell it was talking about so that'll help allot of us LANners in the future towards family and friends who are like wahts this whats that how do i do this, it all pops up basically and explains whats infront of you at times.

Well thats my view on the Build 5342 (Pre Beta 2), Beta 2 should be out next month... I will probebly stick with my XP mainly because I can navigate it like my house.

[<3 Ropey]

nah xp just means i can put of formatting for longer

[Blake]

eventually people are gunna relise that yes... windows vista is going to be more bug proof than XP and YES
vista is easier and much more effient to dothings it may not happen now but in 3 years i gaurntee that
atleast 75% of people running XP will upgrade

[<3 Ropey]

well i will probleu upgrade eventily but not stright away

[Blake]

yeah i know that once i can afford a leagal copy (long time) i certainly will be upgrading

[elliooo]

Yeah there's no chance of me grabbing vista when it first comes out, as im sure it will be waay expensive.

Since in the way of OSs I made the move from Windows 95 straight up to XP, and XP is doing all I need atm, so I'll be sure to hang back a little.

[<3 Ropey]

yes LEAGAL is everything i own excpet all those n00bs

[Boris_Stephens]

I will most likely stick with my Windows XP and setup my Linux server one day when I get a good ISP.
XP for me at the moment and I can see in the future will be my main use of OS due to it is easy to navigate and quick at doing so compared to Vista. XP is moddable easily, and easily tweakable and easy for doing what I do which is learning Web Design and web coding (PHP XHHTML etc.)

Also eventually I want to learn C++ which i do not think i will need pritty graphics to do.
So i wont be in a rush to run towards Vista if the final build is like it is now. I would need a more professional version that does not come with all the extra crap etc. Also that has default Permissions set for example the ability to delete files on my D: drive after installing it (One problem I came across).

I seriously hope another operating system kicks off and gives Microsoft some competition in the User market.
Server market... well Server 2003 is just plain confusing for me ^_^ I would rather play around with config files than use there strange arse walthrough Manage Server program.

[cvt]

yes LEAGAL is everything i own excpet all those n00bs

Why is it every time I become active on the forums you reposition youself on my "I wish this cunt would just die in a fucking fire" list so quickly?

[Boris_Stephens]

Ahahaha :lol: you get that sometimes.

[Blake]

ok that is a little harsh but ues certainly understandable

[Aphex]

Lindows? that was bizzare!!!

i'm a windows fan through and through!!! Generally the "extra" crap in Vista is not nessacary,. most of the pro users of XP, would have by now killed half of what makes XP! eg accesability, shit like that...

i have used XPlite to basically kill what i don;t need, especially that stupid security centre!!! how gay is it... and that's all we can expect with vista and it's final build... everything i have experianced with the new beta software from microsoft eg Windows defender, windows live blah blah is doing shit you simply don't need!!!
monitoring, scanning, reporting... really who needs all that in an OS... I admit i used Win98 for a long while after XP came out, wimply because all my games were running fine, eye candy in an OS didn't appeal to me, nor did i have much use for the net... win98, like WinXP now will continue to be used until, i say again, there is a use for it to the consumer...

[Boris_Stephens]

Nicely put there Aphex "there is a use for it to the consumer", sums it up for me.

[Joshu]

I'd just be glad if I could have an OS where it trusts me to know what I'm doing, and I can install a virus scanner if I want to scan what I want, when I want.

Oy.

[dominatrix]

fuck all this shit, i'm going back to 3.11 for workgroups.
IM A GOD DAMN WORKGROUP, OK!

[Snazz]

The Vista Ultimate Edition looks pretty l337, though it'd come with alot of useless business/enterprise features and will obviously be the most expencive version of them all.

Apparently the retail copy will be a DVD with Windows Vista Home Basic Edition on it and the option to enter 2 additional codes (that you pay extra for) which will unlock and install the Home Premium and/or Ultimate Edition. No idea about their plans for a multi-CD version, or if they're even going to release one, so a DVD reader might be one of the minimum requirements aswell.

[cvt]

heh, I hate windows for 1/2 the shit I do...
yet it remains my main desktop :(

There are certain things it is excellent at... mainly product support
but for a general rule, its fucked up..

I was a x86 mac :(
give me a nice OS, with BASH at hand, and decent product support, and the ability to drop back to doze for games...
sounds good to me :)

[Blake]

i agree with joshu something that actually allows you to do what you wish i hate some of the limitations that
xp can throw at you like if you want to delete a file and because a program was accociated with that file
over 20 mins ago it thinks that it knows better and says you cant delete it (i know there is a program out to
stop that btw)

[Boris_Stephens]

lol Blake, that problem is nothing new, It is usually because a file in that folder / sub folders is still being access via some program in windows.

Yeah does get annoying sometimes... but things I shift delete are not generally running :P

[Blake]

Well when you delete a file that you stopped using 4 mins ago aswell as killing the process and it still thinks
its running on the process that you just killed it gets a bit annoying

[Zenon]

maybe the cause of a shitty computer? i dont have any problems with modifying files after i have been using them in a program

[dominatrix]

yeah, same sam.

[zyaN]

I don't experience any hassles either...but then again, i did just get a hair cut.

[Boris_Stephens]

lol, the problem only comes up accasionaly Vista brings up a list of what programs are using the file still.
I kill the process with that little program and then continue on deleting the files.

Works for me :)