Goodbye DivX/XviD

[cvt]

Your days are over...
i thought h.264 had enetered the house, check out xeb :P

hello ratDVD (http://www.ratdvd.dk)

If you haven't yet tried this, do so.

size of files, 1 - 1.5gig
quality, as good as dvd for watching, noticed no real difference when pausing, AND.. anamorphoc video, 4:3 window, 4:3 video, maximize, 16:9 video.. ..

heres the blurb, its free, try it, cos personally, I think its the bomb!

http://www.free-codecs.com/download/ratDVD.htm


one more thing.. interesting..

taken from the FAQ available @ http://www.ratdvd.de

ratDVD uses a video codec called XEB. This codec is the result from an experimental project I did with some fellows and that does not use any XviD, x.264, etc. code although by the very nature of it contains routines which is similar in function and even to a small extend in output to what you’ll find out there – obviously I didn’t reinvent video-encoding. Since I have been asked here is a small summary of the codec internals:

* It is block based (No wavelets anywhere)
* It has a dynamic GOP structure, P frames have only one reference frame, B frames two.
* GOPs are significantly longer than normal DVD GOPs and always closed
* To avoid drift in long GOPs it has a build-in intra-refresh mechanism
* It has intra prediction significantly more advanced than MPEG2, but not quite as flexible as H.264
* It uses an integer transformation that approximates DCT
* It uses a piecewise linear adaptive quant. The Quant level is determined for each macroblock by a simple psycho visual model
* It has a primitive in-loop deblocking filter
* Mode decision is part lagrangian optimization, part ad hoc based on statistics manually tuned to fit.
* It uses an in-codec scaler and the actual encoded picture size can vary in both dimensions between GOPs
* In order to maintain navigation ability and the reconvertability the codec suffers some limitations that others don’t
* The MUX format is H.262 + some private extensions

The main reason for this codec was the ability to transport the complete DVD navigation data to be able to recreate the original DVDs. Now that this goal is reached I can look in more detail at the performance and quality optimizations since I believe that there is still a lot more potential.

[themunga]

Yeah haven't tried this one yet, program is installed, but have not had the time to convert any and forget to do it when I go to work. I believe that this stuff is going to be one big step in the REVOLUTION BABY!!! Ahem, sorry bout that.

[cvt]

theres only a couple things that make me a bit warey.. the lack of portability, atm it only plays in WMP (i think), its very new..
and its ery slow compressing, and doesn't actually tell you the fps its going at, but its way below real speed.

oh,and a 7 gog move = 3 gig file:)
it is honestly as good as dvd, I'm going to use it more so as a dvd archiving (for now) till I see more development.
ie. more settings (so I can change compression), either that or see if any 3rd party's make a good dvd ripper for divx6.
otherwise, any I get before the next X will be in h.264 and/or ratDVD.

divx does indeed suck in comparison, and h.264 is very portable.. plays on anything.

[kyzen]

Oh my, a superior product! Better than DivX, XviD! That's going to be awesome!
Better video quality, everything superior! It'll be as popular as betamax! Actually,
wait a second... what's beta? That's right, it was a superior product that sorta...
failed :( It's too late, divx.com did the smart thing, built up a relationship with
manufacturers of AV equipment and stuck to a commercial standard so that
players would play their files. Now with the introduction of divx6 that has the
full functionality of a DVD in on container file... I think it's going to be hard pressed
to compete. DivX have been very smart about they way they have done things...
well, I shouldn't say smart, just first to really organise. I mean, what they have
done isn't really groundbreaking, but they were the first.

[cvt]

betamax is awsome.. I do know of it :P

on the other side of things... h.264 is supported by many hardware options, rarely mentioned because divx/wmv is the selling points.. good to see your following the scene.

this other one, if they open sourced it, it would do the same, being a slight barstadized version of h.264 the implementation would be simple...

but to buy a hardware solution, your stupid, there is no way divx is a standard..

look at all those nice divx6 rips... and all those divx5 players out there... thats great isn't it.

like I said... ratdvd, if it doesn;t open up, is gonna die... but h.264.. too late.. its out and alive..




http://www.pacemicro.com/corporate/content.asp?id=10178&template=0
*yawn*
new product.. way back when... oh. OCT 2004...
Pace develops full-featured MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 IPTV set-top box
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note, that was just a 'I'm feeling lucky" google search...

divx7, if they hurry up the release, fromt here claims of such a faster encoding speed and so much more quality with all the divx6 features... they'll hold on.. but in all honesty, h.264 is everywhere.. already.
maybe you know it as AVC, nero use it.. apple use it.. france are implementing it now to replace mpeg2 broadcasts, so are some cable comapnys in the US..

i agree.. no future for it at all :P

[Joshu]

Upon investigation of this H.264 thing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264), I think I have found the best source of random crap to spew at people who know nothing about computers.
encoder-specified perceptual-based quantization weighting matrices
Spatial prediction from the edges of neighboring blocks for "intra" coding (rather than the "DC"-only prediction found in MPEG-2 Part 2 and the transform coefficient prediction found in H.263+ and MPEG-4 Part 2).
Multi-picture motion compensation using previously-encoded pictures as references in a much more flexible way than in past standards, thus allowing up to 32 reference pictures to be used in some cases

cvt, I personally think I get the best quality out of my vinyl records. How can I burn a television program or movie to a record to keep the original fidelity that it had? Sure it might be a bit more unwieldy than a simple DVD or VHS tape, but the quality gains are enormous. After all, my eyes are much better than everyone elses.
I am taking the piss out of cvt in this thread. Quality schmality, just so long as I don't end up with big messes from retarded encoding.

[cvt]

the white writing wasn;t necessary..
if you didnl;t care about quality, why arn't you still using vcd?
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but hey, time will tell..
i given you guys notice that theres a better codec, and theres rips apearing in it.
what you do is your own choice.

[Joshu]

why arn't you still using vcd?
Because I like the portability of AVI files.

[cvt]

but vcd's play on every cheap arse dvd player there is, as well as PSX with VCD adaptor, and DC, and portable dvd players.
and also, isn't vcd also avi?

[Moo]

but vcd's play on every cheap arse dvd player there is, as well as PSX with VCD adaptor, and DC, and portable dvd players.
and also, isn't vcd also avi?


I have a cheap arse under 100 dorra dvd player here that does divx, SD cards, usb port, makes coffee and all that.

[cvt]

so... if you want to be safe with a hardware solution, pioneer 575 have pulled thru again with there next firmware update.
latest firmware supporting both divx6 and h.264
even after posting ur wiki link.. isn;t that just proving the oppisite to the end of your post??....

[Joshu]

and also, isn't vcd also avi?
MPEG-2 I think.

I don't have a DVD player, so that's why I never used VCDs I guess.
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Also, the wiki link is because I wanted to investigate, and found that I got completely and utterly confused. In my mind, the more codecs there are, the more people will come up to me and ask why they can't play their unlicensed anime.

[cvt]

avi = audio video interleave

i see your point of view, if I pulled out 3ivx for example, or was only ripping to xeb, then its rare and a pain in the arse, but since 90% chance you already have the codec installed, i see no harm in using it, powerdvd, windvd, quicktime, all come with the codec, and so do most codec packs.. its not as exotic as you think.

i mentioned the ratdvd as a dvd backup, not a rip, but h.264 as the rip.
as a dvd backup, you want to retain the quality/menu/extras..
and instead of having a 8 gig folder of vob files, I now have a nice clean 3 gig file.
With a rip, you want something easy to share.
h.264 is currently a better option than divx, its not so rare that its unportable (reason I never used 3ivx in the past), its smaller, and better quality video.
both ati and nvidia have included the decoding in there drivers, and the new r520 ati is building it into hardware decoding.
and if ur lazy, autogk are either adding it, or have added it (not following the auto rippers)