lol ATi Vs nVidia

[Peter]

now this will cirtainly stir things up :D

but seriously

i was wondering what you guys would suggest, it was between an

ATi 9600xt with 256mb ram sapphire
OR
nVidia 6600GT 128MB ram Gigabyte or leadtek

im really just interested with you guys' opinion on the cards (not the classic ATi Vs NVIDIA debate: "nvidia are better becouse i like the shape" :D) and there relitive proformances OR any problems or issues with the cards

thanks , Pete

[kyzen]

Just sold a 9600XT to buy a 6600GT... nuff said :)

[Peter]

lol aweosme
good move then eigh :)

[kyzen]

I've gone from barely being able to display 1 poly, to being able to play every game at 1280x1024 (my lcd's native res) at full everything, doesn't miss a beat now, I'm so happy I want to... hmmm, like I'm going to tell you what I do when I'm happy ;) I got the ASUS on though, they run at a higher clock than the standard 6600GT's.

[Joshu]

Originally posted by kyzen
I got the ASUS on though
Don't tell Non-Dairy. I thought ASUS stuff ran like cock (at least according to Lee)?

Originally posted by Peter
ATi 9600xt with 256mb ram sapphire
AVOID! At all costs.
Edit: Unless it's free...:)

[Peter]

lol and he'd know ;)

much higher kyzen? and is that a big deal? or just a small detail?

i just want to beable to play games in a good res and quality

im using a 9200se 128mb (Giga-Byte :O) you see :(

anyone got any idea about the differnece in Ram 128 Vs 256, i know textures need more ram but is 128 adiquite?

[kyzen]

Well, there's something weird with the 6600GT's, being a native PCIX card and shit, they use a HSI bridge chip and shit to be used for AGP and so forth. The 6600GT ram runs at 1000mhz on PCIX, but for some reason or another, maybe stability, when bridged to AGP they were all set to run at 900mhz to my understanding, but ASUS whacked some lovely ram or some shit and clocked it upto 1100mhz, I'm not sure if they're the only ones to do it, but I'm pretty sure at the time I ordered mine they were :) Which was last week :p and the only reason I have the 6600GT and not the 6800 is because I HAD a 6800!!! For a whole day :( But not in my machine, no... sitting next to it!

TOO BIG!!!

EDIT: Don't be put off by the 128mb of ram, the 6600GT does poo's all over the 9600XT, they're not even in the same league, apples and oranges man :)

[Peter]

yeah i knew the agp was at 900mhz and the pci-e was @ 1000mhz

lol that card looks Mighty swish :D
OMG SO MANY HARDRIVES i only have one 80GB.... correction... 2 i have one window'd 1.2GB hdd :D

[cvt]

asus are shit, but lee exagerates, they do also make good gear :)
go the 6600gt
ati have lost it this round, and nvidia have fixed there drivers.. well, they play games again, there dual screen is still as gay as a nude guy wearing a thong at a mardigra tho

[Aphex]

well from what i have read (unsubstantiated) the 256mb cards don;t use the full potential of the bandwidth offered by that much RAM for those cards, so using a 256mb card wouldn;t really have anything over a 128mb card... but that comes down to card type RAM type etc but very little difference non the less... although from something else i have read, games like Doom3 that use a lot of shaders etc are RAM hungry, not just system but i think for video RAM also...

[Peter]

yeha but how often am i going to use 2 moniters :)....not much i used it with an extra TV with my 9200se but got over it'

[dominatrix]

i can vouch for 6600GT's awesomeness. petor, i too came from i shite card (fx5200) and running this new card is fucking insane! i can run everything (bar doom 3 which is gay anyway) at 1280x1024 in its absolout highest settings. its stock speed was 500/900 but coolbits overclocked it to 575/1.05Ghz. also, i got mine off ebay for $280 brand new. have a look on there.

[Peter]

hmmm becouse i can get a new 128mb Giga byte (DVI) for 299 OR a 128mb Leadtek (TDH DVI) for 305

both new, i have no idea on which brands are good really..... so tell me :D

[Nikkyboy]

mate of mine just purchased a xfx 6800gt 256mb and he loves it (some what scary actually but yeah) very nice card i must admit doom3 looks sweet as........

[cvt]

could I just clarify, there all shit arse cards, and the word awsomeness is blasphamy!

[Peter]

excuse me?

[Eoin]

'Awesomeness' isn't even a word but Andrew has managed to spell it incorrectly.

Well done Andrew ;)

[cvt]

thanks oen.. ;)

[Eoin]

I'm here to help

My door is always open

and so on...

[radass]

course the 6600gt shits on the 9600xt -- it's a card of a completely different generation ! the card you would normally pit against it would be the x600 .. but ATI really did fuck up this generation, their cards are way more expensive than their nvidia counterparts .. and from what i remember not as good (depending on the game)

[Peter]

well im really likeing the 6600GT's prospects, most people i talk to seem to think that its a better idea to get the 6600gt and not the 9600xt

its seems its worth the little bit extra

[radass]

absolutely, there's no question about it

i mean, just check the bencharks, they are completely uncomparable cards

[Joshu]

PETER

GET THE 6600GT

ENOUGH SAID


Seriously, everyone agrees, there's no competition. (and go Leadtek ;))

[Peter]

awesome :D

[MR_PEA]

i cant believe how biased you guys are against ATI.

[kyzen]

It's not biaslessnessness against ATI, look at the two cards, it's biasnesslessness against last gen's cards compared to this gens.

[radass]

some, but not all of us are - certainly not me, since i use a 9800pro myself. The reason no one is saying 9600xt here, is because the cards belong to completely differenct generations !

ATI's 9x00 series came out ages (years) ago, at the same time that nvidia's fx5x00 series was around. Not so long ago nvidia released their 6x00 series, and ATI released the Xx00 series.

So to compare a mid range card from this generation to a mid range card from last generation, makes no sense. It's like putting a P4 vs a P3, or an amd64 vs an althon xp.

[Peter]

^^^^ this guy makes scence :), im gunna get the 6600GT :D

[kyzen]

http://www.netbroker.com.au/images/Apples%20&%20Oranges.gif

[mudgie]

Erm, these people are what you call 'technically awesome' - do what they say. ATI lost this round, Nvidia worked damn hard to regain respect after their FX series turned out to be like a stain on the inside of my toilet bowl (shit). I'll be buying one of these cards after I get a new puter case...

[Boris_Stephens]

I have a 9600xt at the moment starting to think of getting something with more grunt.

NVidia seem to be the way to go at the moment i got scared of there cards when the FX came out.

[*NoN*Da]rY*]

I loved my 9600xt even tho it was an ASUS, but as everyone has clearly stated a mid ranged card of yesterday just can cut the mustard of a mid ranged card of today.


Edit: I HATE ASUS mobo's and there DvD burners, i dont drool over there GFX but i find them decent none the less ;) i like the Gainward & Xpertvision ones myself

[Joshu]

Originally posted by *NoN*Da]rY*
Xpertvision
Avoid these dudes. If something does go wrong with your card, there's no way to contact them for RMA, or to contact them for anything else.

And I would be very happy for anyone to prove me wrong ;)

[*NoN*Da]rY*]

yeah ive heard they are pretty shabby on there RMA and such, but iv also heard that there cards are pretty good none the less. I think i would opt for the GW anywho ;)

[Aphex]

indeed ATI have lost this round, but still i'm happy with my 9800XT cause it still owns... i'd rather buy a next gen card (or currnet gen card) when there are more games that call for this kinda power... Doom 3 being a classic example... and even the Unreal 3 engine may proove to much for my XT card... so waiting to see more...

[Boris_Stephens]

The amount of things thrown into Unreal 3's engine graphically is amazing cant wait to see it. I will stick with my Saphire 9600XT it does the job good for the timebeaing.

[MR_PEA]

i know thats its a diffrent cards from difrent generations.... in fact they actually pump up quite well... even against a 9800pro....
if i was comparing the 6600gt. it would be against a 9800pro/xt for sure..
the 9600xt is a budget card

[*NoN*Da]rY*]

a budget card that served me well :) i will be sad to see it go one of these days :(

[Joshu]

Originally posted by Boris_Stephens
The amount of things thrown into Unreal 3's engine graphically is amazing cant wait to see it.

Agreed fully.


Going off on a tangent, it couldn't be too hard to introduce errors into graphics maths (such as low-accuracy floating point, little-endian > clipping > big-endian, random numbers, deliberately introducing artifacts into a video card's output) to make something appear WAY more detailed, could it? I suppose that's what shaders are.

[Aphex]

Originally posted by MR_PEA

the 9600xt is a budget card

I wouldn't go as far to say that the 9600XT was ever a budget card... i mean for every one that still owns one, i think, would still be satisfied by the fps it could still pump out, even with some of these newer games... (even as a matter of opinion)... half life 2 is demanding but i know a 9600XT could play that close to a 6600GT,,, after pushing the 100fps barrier on any game is overkill...Then it comes down to details, and Res played at etc... so yeah next gen games will kill off the classic cards we love unfortunatly...

[mudgie]

Unreal 3's engine is god damn awesome, I saw some graphic demos a while ago. I'm lucky it was a video, and not being done through my meagre video card :P.

I don't think the 9600XT is quite dead yet, it'll handle recent games at decent speeds. It's certainly a budget card NOW, but in it's day it was very respectable.

[*NoN*Da]rY*]

in all its 13 microns glorey it was a beute, great speeds at a good temperature and it only needed a piss fart heatsink and fan. They can be OC'ed quite abit aswell ;)

[radass]

Originally posted by Joshu
I suppose that's what shaders are.

Nah

Atm, There are 2 kinds of shaders:

Vertex Shaders:

With 3d applications, for each frame, every single vertex (each corner in each triangle is a vertex) gets a bunch of math applied to it to calculate where on the screen it should finally go, if at all. Originally this was done one by one by the CPU, then when hardware T&L came out then this math was shifted to the video card. NOW, cards have these programmable vertex shaders, and you basically write a vertex program in an asm like language (or use a higher level language like cg and compile it at runtime) and your program is run on each vertex. pretty cool!

Fragment (Pixel) Shaders:

Basically the same idea, but for the final pixel color which is output. after the vertex shader stage the card divides the triangles up into pixels, and runs a pixel shading program on each one. The pixel shaders have access to different instructions, and have access to the textures.

The next gen of cards should see the vertex / pixel shaders replaced with generic programmable shading units that can be used either way. The recent massive jump in video card performance has a lot to do with the doubling of vertex and pixel shaders. because there are so many vertices and pixels in a scene, they'll be able to keep doubling the number of shading units for quite a few generations, each time doubling the performance of the card without neccessarily upping the clock speed. Incidently you'll also see CPUs go down this path very soon as well with the dual core / multicore revolution ..

These little vertex/fragment babies are also starting to be used to accellerate other forms of computation too ..

but addressing your main point, the detail isnt introduced by controlled error, but with fragment shaders it can all be done by design

[*NoN*Da]rY*]

cant help but feel smarter after reading that :)

[mudgie]

Fuck, I feel smarter by standing near him.

[radass]

awww don't make fun. besides there's a massive difference between intelligence and education :rolleyes:

some interesting shader related sites:

http://www.shadertech.com/ (focused on cg)

http://libsh.org/ (focused on sh)

[*NoN*Da]rY*]

you love it big man ;)

[Eoin]

Originally posted by Joshu
Agreed fully.


Going off on a tangent, it couldn't be too hard to introduce errors into graphics maths (such as low-accuracy floating point, little-endian > clipping > big-endian, random numbers, deliberately introducing artifacts into a video card's output) to make something appear WAY more detailed, could it? I suppose that's what shaders are.

That's a pretty cool idea joshu

Something like very fine noise on a bump or diffuse map can look awesome without taking up a lot of render time.

[radass]

http://libsh.org/shaders/

[cvt]

I wouldn't go as far to say that the 9600XT was ever a budget card...

I would :)

[FROSTY BoSkitzo]

All I can say is, i used to run on an XP2600+, 128mb Radeon 9200se AGP, (the epitome of shit)
spent a bit of cash, and AMD64 3500+ with a 6600GT PCIX - more like comparing a plant to an animal really.
I at one stage had a 9800 something in my rig, for testing purposes, and it was...OK.... but not even close to the 6600GT.

I was never into the ATI versus Nvidia - but i have to agree with everyone - ATI fucked up this generation.

At the time, i was told by nearly every computer expert on te market, that 6600 was the best value for money card on the market.

[*NoN*Da]rY*]

i loved the TnT2, how i miss its glory :D

[Peter]

All I can say is, i used to run on an XP2600+, 128mb Radeon 9200se AGP, (the epitome of shit)
spent a bit of cash, and AMD64 3500+ with a 6600GT PCIX - more like comparing a plant to an animal really.
I at one stage had a 9800 something in my rig, for testing purposes, and it was...OK.... but not even close to the 6600GT.

I was never into the ATI versus Nvidia - but i have to agree with everyone - ATI fucked up this generation.

At the time, i was told by nearly every computer expert on te market, that 6600 was the best value for money card on the market.

hehe i have an XP2600+ and a 9200se and yeah it runs like shit :D :( im sad now

[radass]

you can get an AGP 6600gt for around 300 now

well worth it

i think a vanilla 6600 one is around 220

[Moo]

Asus EN6600-TD-256 GF6600/256MB/TV-OUT/DV-I/PCI EXPRESS $248.00

Asus N6600GT-TD-128 GF6600GT/128M DDR3/TV-OUT/DVI-I/AGP 8x/500 M $357.00

Asus N6600GT-TOP-TD-128 GF6600GT/128M DDR3/TV-OUT/DVI-I/AGP 8x/5 $417.00

Bummer the AGP prices aren't near the PCI-X ones otherwise i'd get one Tuesday. :(

I just need some relo in wogland or scot land to die and gimme a pile of money or something.

I'm sure i could spend 30k on a machine in a instant.

[kyzen]

Not a GT though.

[radass]

AGP leadtek 128MB 6600 215
AGP leadtek 128MB 6600GT 305

[Moo]

Yeah.. this was ....er, a ballarat company that is a bit queerand i couldnt see crap on teh site really.

And daves prices are from dave i take it?

[radass]

nah we dont really bother with dealing in parts, those prices are from www.msy.com.au

never dealt with them, but they're fkn cheap

[Peter]

orded a GigaByte from MSY was down there yesterday, they were sold out but i orded one, should be in late next week :D
:
128MB AGP Gigabyte, 6600GT, Memory Clock 1120MHz :O :D ;o

305 DOLLERS :D

[MR_PEA]

i hear sometimes they are a bit stingy... mate tried to get a cheap cpu, and they wouldent sell it to him unless he bought a mainboard as well

[Joshu]

...do people sell OEM CPUs?

if(yes) then {
congratulations("you're an idiot");
} else {
print "You can understand where they're coming from.
They probably price their CPUs cheap - possibly nonprofit
- on the basis that you're going to be buying a motherboard
for the CPU as well, like most people do.";
}

[Peter]

fucking cheap though, on friday i got a 3400+ 64bit AMD (754) for a mate, for 315. but i also got a MOBO

[MR_PEA]

joshu. some times you just wanna upgrade your cpu as the duron you had at the time just dident cut it!
wanker.

[Joshu]

http://forums.ebay.com/db1/thread.jspa?threadID=4105 16339&tstart=0&mod=1113397502801
OEM is meant to go to a manufacurer who is integrating the product into their own product.

[MR_PEA]

whats your point... i can get an oem cpu from most of the places that i shop at...
you not wrong its ment to go to the retailers for them to sell with computers.. is it our fault that they redistribute the oem stuff back to end for a cheaper price...
but for the extra 15 bucks or so extra you could of got the standard HSF and a 3 year warrenty (amd) as well as a nice sticker you can put on your case.

[Aphotic]

ya dude, 6600gt all the way, i have a 9600xt turbo and its noob assed.... get a 9800 maybe?
__________________

its also funny cos joshus position name says i like sucking penis, haha joshu, haha

[Joshu]

That's my own doing :)

[Peter]

orded a GigaByte from MSY was down there yesterday, they were sold out but i orded one, should be in late next week :D
:
128MB AGP Gigabyte, 6600GT, Memory Clock 1120MHz :O :D ;o

305 DOLLERS :D


well i got it today, and can i say... so totally awesome. i love it already and it makes games work so very well :beer

better than the 9200se :dead


:)

[radass]

awesome :)

[Peter]

man the heat syncs are INSANELY HUGE on it, it has a massive heatsync on the front over the GPU its about size of about 60% of the card!!!! and THEN its got heatpipes around to the back where there is another Heatsync about 40% of the cards size!!!!!

its massive compared to my passively cooled 9200se as its heatsync was only about 3cm x 3cm x 1 cm

[radass]

(sink) :P

[captain_Kiver]

Well Kyzen rember An ATI Card fitted in your case and the only reason for the 6600GT is the 6800 didn't fit in the case either GO THE ATI

[radass]

can't beat the 6600GT for price/performance though :( I love my 9800 pro, but the ati cards are just too expensive this generation :(

[captain_Kiver]

Please give us a go to supply in ballarat
MSI Nforce 6600GT 128MB Video Card agp complete with VIVO , HDTV $315
we maybe cannot be able to better the melbourne prices but please give us a go
dale@bdtech.com.au

[radass]

fark that's a great price considering you have to ship it to ballarat

[Poseidon]

yeah well im happy with my A-bit X700 pro 256mb... and for less then $350 im not complianing. runs everyting great..1280x1024... will do me for about the next year... the only reason why i didnt get a Nvid card was cos my last 2 have screwed up nig time... the only card that i know still works a dream... and non-dairy... its the TNT2.... what a sweet card :D

[Peter]

(sink) :P
pffft :D

[*NoN*Da]rY*]

Poseidon, ahh yes thats right... i remeber now our joint love child was the TnT2, twas and always will be a card that will stand out from the rest.

[themunga]

dont forget the M64 at the end, have no idea why it's different, but every tnt2 I ever saw was an M64

[captain_Kiver]

For you oldies
The Diamond Vipper 770 Ultra
back up with the voodoo II 12 meg Now That was a combination

[*NoN*Da]rY*]

"memories"

[kyzen]

dont forget the M64 at the end, have no idea why it's different, but every tnt2 I ever saw was an M64
Points at my old M64 Utlra ;) It's AWESOME :P
__________________

Please give us a go to supply in ballarat
MSI Nforce 6600GT 128MB Video Card agp complete with VIVO , HDTV $315
we maybe cannot be able to better the melbourne prices but please give us a go
dale@bdtech.com.au
Yeah lovies ;) Dale donates prizes every lan because he loves you guys,
give him some love back, you wont be dissapointed! It's pretty hard to get
a word to Craws though ;) There always seems to be someone talking to
him for half an hour over a $7 sale :p Old people :rolleyes:

[<3 sacreN]

i got a 6600gt a gigabyte one they real nice

[*NoN*Da]rY*]

lol Gigabyte :P

[cvt]

you know, the 6600 reminds me of hungry jacks.

compared to maccas its good, but in all reality, its still awful microwaved garbage.

there is relevance... I'm just trying to figure out where/how.

[radass]

fuck you talk some shit sometimes cvt :D

[*NoN*Da]rY*]

mmmmm Hungry jacks.... :)

[captain_Kiver]

Only Trouble with maccas Your Hungry 10 mins later

[Joshu]

YOU'RE hungry maybe. ;) The wisdom of a man with an anti-AMD64 avatar.

[captain_Kiver]

why is lan zilla on a bloody Friday ??

[Joshu]

Always has been I guess. Can't be Saturday night cause the Buninyong hall has to have church on Sunday.

[cvt]

fuck you talk some shit sometimes cvt :D

I was basically gonna say the 6600gt is not not the best by far, but compared to what most of you run, or are comparing against, its the best of them.
or something like that, somehow I lost the plot in the last post... normally I can spin enough shit to recover my drifting mind, but not even I could rescue it.