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SPOT
28-02-2005, 12:10 PM
thanks to all the guys that came to X13 and made it one of the best lans we have had to date.
just a few questions for you guys tho;

what did you like about x13??
what didn't you like about x13??
what do you think could have been done better??
what would you like to see at the next X??
plus any other comments about X13.


thanks again to all the guys that rocked up!!

*NoN*Da]rY*
28-02-2005, 12:16 PM
what did you like about x13 - Comps. were smooth as!

what didn't you like about x13 - ppl from Geelong seemed to be a pain in the arse (generalization) ;) Loved everything most succesful X since "For"

what do you think could have been done better - Absolutely no complaints, cant think of anything that could of been done better

what would you like to see at the next X - Novelty comps. like X idol and sculling of foul shit. They help break things up a little and generaly everyone has a laugh and a good time.

plus any other comments about X13 - Kudos ( :) ) to the admins and everyone else that made this past X a fucking awesome lan!

Joshu
28-02-2005, 01:04 PM
What I liked: Comps were wicked, as was the Hunt Emps episode. The "more people around on Sunday" thing was pretty cool, you should have some more stuff on Sundays to have people stick around.

What I didn't like: Slow mornings, barely anyone was up, also there wasn't a lot of projector action :( Also, you had people catching onto the "free sausages after 30 minutes" thing, which wasn't cool.

What could've been done better: Policing of "WHAT I SAY GOES LOL I OWN THE PLACE" Geelongites, and "LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL *runs around room* I R HORNY" Geelongites.

What I'd like to see next time: I agree with Lee, there needs to be more "Get your pasty ass outside" comps. It'd be fucking radical to see the LANX dudes play a game of soccer on the oval we were tossing CDs around on last LAN. I also wanna see some new games being advertised in comps.

Other comments: X rocks the house. Bring the photos out sometime soon. Also, you need to do something about


INFAMOUS DC HUB QUOTES:
[2005-02-26 00:20] <Briti> im horny :P hehehe
[2005-02-26 00:20] <PANNIC> and also your a fag[2005-02-26 06:44] <cold_noonan> HELLO ALL
[2005-02-26 06:44] <cold_noonan> DID U ALL HAVE A GOOD NAP
[2005-02-26 06:44] <BritiChix0r> no i was bn raped the hole time[2005-02-26 10:21] <BritiChix0r> plus my fist is reli saw n im wonderin hu i punched last nite while i was asleep
[2005-02-26 10:27] <BritiChix0r> fuknnnn hellll !!!!! my fist kains :@
[2005-02-26 10:27] <BritiChix0r> well my fist was half fukd yestydy no it fukn kills grph!!![2005-02-26 10:43] <BritiChix0r> i was bout 2 get up n c if i cood shove emps ... in2 his mouth... i was almost sure that wood shut him up
...seriously, impose a law against ditzy omni-gamer girls. Goddamn. :mad

Moo
28-02-2005, 01:13 PM
what did you like about x13??
Woot comps. Network seemed fast (but i got a new NIC, might be it)

what didn't you like about x13??
Certain females in teh crash room YELLING while others attempt to be in the arms of morpheus. And then bitching when i request to keep it down.

what do you think could have been done better??
Have a chasity belt on Emps

what would you like to see at the next X??
A brand fucking new computer for me.. but i doubt that would happen :(

TeamZephyr
28-02-2005, 02:03 PM
what did you like about x13??

Everything, i love to come up to ballarat and play some games and catch up you all ballaratians again. Good games too, its nice to have a game of Joint Ops and Savage, bit of a change from the constant UT2004 and CSS back here in SeaWaterVille

what didn't you like about x13??

Not much, except all the Geelong insults, but meh its no prob.

what do you think could have been done better??

Not much, you guys have it pretty figured out what you gotta do. Hopefully more stuff on the projector screen next time.

what would you like to see at the next X??

Some get outside comps.

In all good lan guys, can't wait till i can come up again for some more abuse and lanning.

radass
28-02-2005, 02:44 PM
[2005-02-26 00:20] <Briti> im horny hehehe
[2005-02-26 00:20] <PANNIC> and also your a fag


Best call .. ever

kyzen
28-02-2005, 02:52 PM
I had a really good time, thanks for asking :)

what did you like about x13??
The fact that you didn't take no shit, people who are ready on time shouldn't have to wait for the few that cbf installing shit or being ready for comps, I mean, it's not like there's any notice or anything... well done, rule with an iron fist ;)
I really like the team/team captain setup, then you only have to talk to one person to make sure the teams are organised, and then they get their troops in line, very efficient system. :D

what didn't you like about x13??
The few (not all, a couple of you were dudes ;)) sooky la la's from a certain sea side town that did everything in their power to fuck it up for the rest of the attendees. Very nice effort, really points out the fundamental differences in the two lan cultures... :rolleyes:

what do you think could have been done better??
Um, I reckon you'll have to look into a more descriptive internal page, to post comp time so team's and team captains know where they have to be and when. But NOT ALP though!!! It's meant to be Autonomous LAN Party, but turns it into Anonymous LAN Party, because teams don't get up and talk to each other, they just sit their in anonymity...

what would you like to see at the next X??
What WOULDN'T I like to see!

plus any other comments about X13.
Good job ;)

SnooP
28-02-2005, 02:54 PM
what did you like about x13??

Savage and quake3 comps were very cool. Joint Ops was nice to. Having the teams for the whole day was kinda cool as well. Most things went smoothly which made the event top notch.

what didn't you like about x13??

People who joined a team and then didn't play in the comps, especially annoying in games like joint ops where a player down is a huge disadvantage.

People who snored and talked all night making it hard to sleep in that big room that everyone had to sleep in. i like it better when it was spread over that room and the two smaller rooms that fit 10ppl each or so in them.

Oh and last of all those fags who booked a seat and didn't turn up.

what do you think could have been done better??

The 'subs' idea since there always seemed to be teams with players short. Maybe instead of teams of 10 have teams of 12 so that teams will always be full and not one or two players short.

Also do one of the other gameplay modes for COD to keep the geelongites happy. And i don't like gameplay modes that are based around camping a base.

what would you like to see at the next X??

As already mentioned games on the oval its there and im sure plenty of people would be up for a game of soccer or cricket or football etc.

Moo
28-02-2005, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by SnooP
what would you like to see at the next X??

As already mentioned games on the oval its there and im sure plenty of people would be up for a game of soccer or cricket or football etc.


I should have my pair of duelling pistols by then ;)

axl_morgs
28-02-2005, 03:22 PM
what did you like about x13??

-you guys looked to have had some awesome fun...while i was stuck at work :( then i got drunk at the pub and split my head open on some sharp window sill. was funny cause blood was all over my face and people thought i was in a blue, but i still managed to finish my pint :)

what didn't you like about x13??

-i didnt go :(

what do you think could have been done better??

-someone call in a bomb threat to my work next time

what would you like to see at the next X??

-ME!

plus any other comments about X13.

-X13 sounds like it rocked spot's hairy anus :)

ultraviolentray
28-02-2005, 04:55 PM
what did you like about x13??

The Savage comp... even though everyone complained and bitched about having to play it, I looked around the room during the comp to see everyone either smiling, or with a (very bad) game face. Everyone who played in it had fun. And i don't mind losing... I just love playing it. Same deal with quake III.

The "No drinking". I know a few of you will be surprised that I am putting this in the "like" section, coz most of you know that i like a few beers every now and then. But No drinking was good. It kept the emphasis on gaming (or leeching, in the case of geelong).

It was good to see quite a few gamers make the trip from geelong. Yeah, they were a bit of a pain in the ass... Not all of them, but a select few. I remember when i went to the first ML, everyone from Geelong was like "Pffft... why would a want to go out of geelong, when we have the best LAN in the state"... dumbasses.

The gameplay was great. No dirty tactics, like there have been in the past. And there wasn't any love/hate relationships between the different teams (apart from geelong)

Newcomers. I reckon there would've been 10 ppl there that i've never met. It's good to see some different people there. And the network was well done too. I didn't have any probs with my connection the whole time i was on my computer.

Well done X cunts! :beer

what didn't you like about x13??

Thought #1: If I Go to a LAN, I go there to game (and leech a teensy weensy bit), not to try and pick up... not that that was aimed at anyone in Particular ;)

Thought #2: Ok... Most of the time i can get along with gamers... But for fucks' sake... can the geelong fags stop chasing the 14 yr old girl around the room. Your not 10... you shouldn't be playing tiggy, or kiss chasey. And not inside. Gamers of all people should know how expensive everything is in there. What if the chick, or whoever is chasing her trips, and tries to grab onto something... Like a desk... and it falls over. Are they going to pay for someone's new computer. I don't think so.

Grow the fuck up.

what do you think could have been done better??

Not much. It was an awesome effort. I really enjoyed myself.

what would you like to see at the next X??

Maybe put the cost up to $30, but include breakfast (1 egg and bacon roll) and the BBQ (a sausage and a hamburger, or 2 sausages or something like that) in the price. I know i'd pay the extra $5. Then just charge the normal price if they want extra food.

Or maybe even something different, like chinese, or Fish and Chips...

And I like Snoop's idea of cricket or FOOTY!... It'd break up the 3 days in a room with limited sunlight. Play on the sunday, coz everytime there's been an X, there's been awesome weather on the sunday.

radass
28-02-2005, 06:41 PM
yeah, chinese would ROCK

as would fush and chups

Moo
28-02-2005, 07:00 PM
Watch it dave, jeffy will have you for that!

Joshu
28-02-2005, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by ultraviolentray
Grow the fuck up.

Well said!! :beer

SPOT
28-02-2005, 07:31 PM
yes, fish and chips does sound like an awesome idea.
and next time i promise we will have more fuck around non gaming comps ;)

madcap_magician
28-02-2005, 10:04 PM
What did you like about LAN-X 13?

The gaming was great - and also savage was a great lotta gamein fun - ayden said it best god bless the nieezie

Great to see some new faces around the place - just remeber that the admins dont bite so come on up and say hi :P

Good to have a grog-free X - it was a great releaf not to have to look after a bunch of little kids going awal all over the uni campus.

Shouts to all the X boys for the good games - i havnt had some games like that in a long time tip top work tigers! GRRRRRR

Thanks to dave for all his hard work on the BBQ for breakfast - you food is always the best - praise you !


What didnt you like about X13?

just the general vibe of some of the geelong guys - and that one dood who was just the biggest fag ever - u all know the one :P

just remember that you guys are at our LAN - and thats it. nuff said about that

and for all the little kiddies - i catch u drinking/running around being fags/wearing clothes for people double your age - u will be out on ur ass, and with very little sympathy i might add. i come to a LAN to game. period.


what could have been done better?

kenny needs to have his shirt off more

kenny also needs to invest in some champion LAN shorts - this is a requrement of all cool gamers everywhere.

next time the foot needs to speak up more - no more in-LAN mutany


what you would like to see at the next X?

yea more outdoor games or like 30 min or so - just to get people up and out

andrew needs to do more burn-outs cause u know your diff loves it :D

HAMBURGERS! i will help out if ya want kenny

less fags

less of the above twice

more of dave's beef ;D


great work and good to see some of the boys agian

Peace,

PANNIC

radass
28-02-2005, 10:12 PM
what a great feedback thread !

cisco_queen
28-02-2005, 11:27 PM
I would have to say the same thing dave :) Its always nice to read..what a GREAT job the geelong games who went to lanx, what name they are giving geelong in lanning sense. I have actually enjoyed reading stories and seeing ppl's msn names, about the geelong people, it has been a nice laugh.

Damo wrote : and for all the little kiddies - i catch u drinking/running around being fags/wearing clothes for people double your age - u will be out on ur ass, and with very little sympathy i might add. i come to a LAN to game. period

I Thank you for also writting that on ML i hope the geelong gamers who went, will take that advice and apply it.

Joshu: :woot i like ur dc hub quotes, very nice work

hopefully ill be at the next lanx, without as much geelong n00bs there, if u worked it out it (orignial) would have been 20 ML gamers, and 60 spots only for ballarat ppl, it would have been a mini ml vs lanx :cool:

radass
28-02-2005, 11:28 PM
that's a vs we gotta have .. i feel it looming

MR_PEA
01-03-2005, 12:38 AM
what did you like about x13??
extreamly productive and also that you guys gave me about an extra 5min or so to get a game installed so that we could have a comp!! Ta

what didn't you like about x13??
Ummmmm COD- wtf is this game..... didnet like that comp one bit,,,, prolly cos i got my ass raped by the admins
and at least let me crack one beer,,,,, soft drink got soo old after like one of them! but thats just me!!

what do you think could have been done better??
Nothing, it was great!!!

what would you like to see at the next X??
plus any other comments about X13
More beer for me!

Griphonix
01-03-2005, 01:21 AM
aw.... there was a savage comp.... I miss savage....

radass
01-03-2005, 01:47 AM
and where were YOU griph :O

shadowhunter
01-03-2005, 03:08 AM
mmm

lucky i didnt go then, what with all the wanting to hurt us poor geelong people :(

but yeh i heard from some GEELONG mates who were sensible n just went to game and were fucking shat off by other geelong people (Briti + her group of lil half-bitches) so yeh, was almost bloodshed i been told when they kept screaming n shit downstairs keeping my mate up lol :D

hope to be @ the next one representing geelong in a good way :P

and BTW - we should play footy @ next one or whatever somebody suggested (hopefully im not hallucinating it)

And also give the Admins a nice stockwhip to keep the 14yr old chick n her pussy posse in line, coupla cracks of that will keep em quiet for a few weeks.

Joshu
01-03-2005, 03:29 AM
Crossposting from the ML forums (http://monsterlan.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=26605#26605) is fun. Another vote against the Briti + drooling-boys-retainer plague. I'll remove this if ErzengelAusTod actually posts in here.
ErzengelAusTod said on the ML forums:
LANX was ok even though the games were either from the stone age or VERY crap. The leechables were quite tasty and it seems that if you have an up to date series of a popular anime you can trade for slots quite easily
The Games
Savage: even though i haven't commanded in years and my team was full of n00bs it was still strangly fun...
Quake 3: The admins ran this instead of UT2004 because UT2004 is "too old". Go figure
WWP: Worms world party is a favourite of mine so i can't complain
CoD: HQ?! WHO THE FUCK PLAYS HQ OVER TEAMDM?! The LANX admins that's who. I suspect they did this to avoid being slaughtered in TeamDM by TeamZephyr and EngelAusSchlaue...
Joint Ops: ugh...joint ops. This game was boring 10 mins after installing it. Nice to see some things never change...

And yes, we did end up playing a game of UT2004 on a private server. Anyone that reads this and thinks they are awesome at UT2004 goto LANX and realise that you ARE NOT! It worked for me :eek

On a final note i have a little advice for alot of "geelongites" as we have been dubbed. Would you little prepubesant bitches grow some maturity and not spend the entire LAN chasing around a certain 14 yr old girl? If she's bored at a LAN it's her fault for going. Christ, alot of the shit there is EXPENSIVE so don't run the risk of knocking shit over. We all know what was going through your minds and just because you do what she says does not mean she'll pop your cherries. God you kids give me the shits...

All in all not the worst LAN i've been to but at the same time not the best, somehow i still prefer the home crowd advantage that ML brings.

Since you liked it so much, cisco_queen;
[2005-02-26 06:53] <EngelAusSchlaue> ML aint gay
[2005-02-26 06:54] <BritiChix0r> nah it aint
[2005-02-26 06:54] <BritiChix0r> but chatto is :P
[2005-02-26 06:54] <BritiChix0r> hes with lauren ... that makes him gay hes going out wid a male
[2005-02-26 06:55] <OSIRIS> NICE CALL

radass
01-03-2005, 03:31 AM
edit: a bit harsh really ;p

ultraviolentray
01-03-2005, 06:56 AM
Originally posted by Joshu
Well said!! :beer

I never thought I'D be telling ppl to grow up:confused:

Originally posted by madcap_magician

Good to have a grog-free X - it was a great releaf not to have to look after a bunch of little kids going awal all over the uni campus.


Isn't it normally me that goes awal all over the uni campus :beer

Originally posted by madcap_magician
just the general vibe of some of the geelong guys - and that one dood who was just the biggest fag ever - u all know the one :P


I thought that was a chick ;)

Originally posted by madcap_magician
just remember that you guys are at our LAN - and thats it. nuff said about that


That's right. That's the general vibe that i seem to get from ML... Not always from the admins too...

Originally posted by madcap_magician
and for all the little kiddies - i catch u drinking/running around being fags/wearing clothes for people double your age - u will be out on ur ass, and with very little sympathy i might add. i come to a LAN to game. period.


Damo... ur awesome... but i reckon we should get two of us, and do the big heave off the side of the ledge over kenny's car, and onto the ashphalt:D

madcap_magician
01-03-2005, 10:18 AM
Werd my nigga! its the two of us then!

and thanks lauren, its just cause i thought that some ML doods might what to take note cause next time i'm not going to be very nice to people who come to MY town and fuck with MY lan!

but i still love you all - nothing but love

PANNIC

SPOT
01-03-2005, 11:29 AM
i find it funny how ppl compare HQ to TDM, in both modes you still shoot and kill each other.
and normally the team that is killed scores less.
seems to me they dunno what they are talking about.

radass
01-03-2005, 12:14 PM
hq is a thinking team's game .. i love it

Boo2
01-03-2005, 02:22 PM
'' I suspect they did this to avoid being slaughtered in TeamDM by TeamZephyr and EngelAusSchlaue...'' LoL

I suspect they are noob and just want a skilless spam game where everyones a loser :D HQ>TDM/DM

what did you like about x13??
What didnt i! (besides certain ppl from certain places @_@)
ITs been said before but ill say it agn... teams of 10 with 3 main comps was great and worked well and strange enough to time... sort of :)

what didn't you like about x13??
?? O_o ??

what do you think could have been done better??
Only thing i rckn was maybe before each round of a comp the 2 captains meet in certian place to toss coin.. cos soemtimes pain in the ass to find em..just a wee time i saver maybe.

what would you like to see at the next X??
For sure some kind of ''sporting'' something eg footy n that be awesome...ohoh criket! everyone likes criket ^^.

That is all from me...great X !! :)

Kva
01-03-2005, 02:45 PM
hey dont drag all us geelong people in to this hating! the retards running around i swear i would killed if they came past me, i was in wait ready to give a flying clothesline if they came past but alas they didnt. Lanx should have a kids room downstairs to piss these fools off into next-time if they decide to show up again :P

shadowhunter
01-03-2005, 02:48 PM
or just large large sticks

to smite them with... but yeh im hoping to make the arduos journey from geelong to ballarat next time... as long as you dont get the stockwhip onto me :P

SPOT
01-03-2005, 02:58 PM
yeah kva is correct, it wasn't all the geelong dudes who were crap.
it was the young fellas and the mutinying dickheads that brought it down.

cisco_queen
01-03-2005, 03:10 PM
Thanks Joshu,
i wont be a bitch and say shit about her, cos i will get in trouble....
But she is very imature for even opening her mouth on a subject she has no idea on... :)
I love hearing u all bag the n00bs from geelong... who went to lanx anyway, keep it up !!! :beer

ozzipete
01-03-2005, 04:52 PM
All was great could not have been better except the outbursts from upset females..Brit LOL
Thanx to all the Mods and Admins .. great job guys

Pete

ultraviolentray
01-03-2005, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by cisco_queen
But she is very imature for even opening her mouth on a subject she has no idea on... :)


I dunno... she looked like she's had some experience in that general area... Just ask emps :p

(sorry emps... but she left a big wide open space that needed to be filled with a smartass comment...

ozzipete
01-03-2005, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by ultraviolentray
I dunno... she looked like she's had some experience in that general area... Just ask emps :p

(sorry emps... but she left a big wide open space that needed to be filled with a smartass comment...

you could only fill it with a comment ???? :shake :shake :shake

Originally posted by Kva
hey dont drag all us geelong people in to this hating! the retards running around i swear i would killed if they came past me, i was in wait ready to give a flying clothesline if they came past but alas they didnt. Lanx should have a kids room downstairs to piss these fools off into next-time if they decide to show up again :P

hahahahah A flying clothesline wot full of mummys knickers ...:beer

Zevensoft
01-03-2005, 06:06 PM
What did you like about LX13?
People who were serious about the lan and managed to have fun, and the comps were great, decent level of skill.

What didn't you like about LX13?
People talking/snoring loudly in the sleep room, kids being annoying, "Add mens" winning everything :P.

What do you think could have been done better?
Maybe spectate games on the projector, some non-pc comps.

What would you like to see at the next X?
Free CPU+Mobo+RAM upgrades :D heh I dunno, more console stuff? More servers (different games)? Strippers?

Other comments about X13:
Why use the whiteboard when you got a projector + MS Excel? Anyway it was lots of fun, can't wait till the next X!

radass
01-03-2005, 06:08 PM
normally we do do some fun 1v1 exhibition and finals stuff on the projector .. but for some reason this time we just forgot !!

Moo
01-03-2005, 06:26 PM
Originally posted by Zevensoft
What didn't you like about LX13?
"Add mens" winning everything :P.


Che?

kyzen
01-03-2005, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by Zevensoft
Other comments about X13:
Why use the whiteboard when you got a projector + MS Excel? Anyway it was lots of fun, can't wait till the next X!

Easy :) We want people to get up and meet each other, form tight knit clique's, and ostracise people from Geelong! :p

Seriously, we could use ALP and do it all from the internal page, but that take away an important social aspect of LANX. Getting up and actually meeting who you are playing with.

Eoin
01-03-2005, 06:57 PM
And you get to draw shit on the whiteboard :)

*NoN*Da]rY*
01-03-2005, 08:01 PM
yeah like "Hoon loves cock" :D

TeamZephyr
01-03-2005, 08:05 PM
First i'd like to start off by apologising if i helped destory LAN-X. Im there to play the games and all that.

The Biggest problem i found with X was me being the Team Captain of the hardest team in the world to control..........Geelong' s Finest. Most of the decisions that I made were on behalf of the majority of the team, not my own personal view. Im sorry.

We enjoyed Savage that was good. Most of the team tryed to get out of Joint Ops and also cryed over Headquarters. I didnt like it much being something new but i still had fun. The forfeiting of GF in Headquarters was a majority team choice, not mine once again.

Also for the next LAN-X we should all put a ban on Britt, she destracts young lanners. Like playing chasey with Vindicator and sitting out the back crying into the phone with the whole GF sitting around her. Not to mention acting like a whore on DC Chat, talking and yelling in the crash room, and sleeping with Empathy.

I look forward to the next LAN-X. Hopefully it will be more like X 12 and not X 13. And also i dont think all the geelong noobs will make the journey again, they have realised they are not welcome.

I just hope that i'm still welcome.

Cheers, TeamZephyr. The Sacrificial Lamb

radass
01-03-2005, 08:13 PM
I don't think we've met but you seem to have your head screwed on right to me :beer

*NoN*Da]rY*
01-03-2005, 08:13 PM
you Zeph. i didnt mind, the older Geelongite was a looser :D i mean "go back to RTS's".... what the fuck is that? :D

but i agree, ban the whore ;)

mudgie
01-03-2005, 09:07 PM
what did you like about x13??
The comps were fucking sweet! Good to see some Savage, which I really enjoyed. Also, the absence of deathmatches were really cool, too. Quake 3 was amazingly fun, I really hope we play that map and mode again! The 'leader' system worked wonders, too.

what didn't you like about x13??
Salt water drinking pagans ;). And packing up 2 hours early! And that cunt winning all the prizes again - make it one per person!

what do you think could have been done better??
Nothing, dudes... Went off without a hitch!

what would you like to see at the next X??
Hamburgers, what the fuck is with those sausages ;). Oh, and some more shit being played on the projector, it's always fun to watch things I didn't know about before!

plus any other comments about X13.
Yet another fucking sweet LAN X - and I think, as much as I hate to say it - the larger amount of time between the LANs made for a bigger event. Awesome as usual, fellas.

TeamZephyr, you seem to be a bottled water drinking fellow, you seemed very nice on DC... I'll always welcome you back ;).

And fucking hell Britt, the crash room is for crashing, not for bright lights and yelling!

Joshu
01-03-2005, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by TeamZephyr
First i'd like to start off by apologising if i helped destory LAN-X. Im there to play the games and all that.

Also for the next LAN-X we should all put a ban on Britt, she destracts young lanners. Like playing chasey with Vindicator and sitting out the back crying into the phone with the whole GF sitting around her. Not to mention acting like a whore on DC Chat, talking and yelling in the crash room, and sleeping with Empathy.I just hope that i'm still welcome.

Cheers, TeamZephyr. The Sacrificial Lamb

You don't know me, I know roughly who you are though Seth - I'm pretty dang sure you didn't cause a problem. It's a shame that you get heaped into the Geelong's Faggots generalisation automatically. Also, amen to the Britney ban.

what would you like to see at the next X??
The whiteboard being in a more "central" place.

radass
01-03-2005, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by TeamZephyr
she destracts young lanners

Sadly not only young ones :(

Peter
01-03-2005, 10:57 PM
i was like sitting next to her.... there was one dude between us but he wasnt there much :/

cherrypopper
02-03-2005, 12:45 AM
Well this was an interesting read so far & i feel i didn't warn Kenny enough about some of the "kids" that were heading his way for his LAN.

But please don't judge an entire LAN off 2 or 3 people as its like ML'ers judging LAN-X off Emps :P

But overall sounds like i missed out on a great event even if Kenny still hasn't gotten any decent lights or a bigger screen :P

kyzen
02-03-2005, 12:47 AM
My screens still bigger than your's ;) Yeah man, you should have warned me ya bastard! Some of the guys were dudes :) Was a fun weekend over all! ;)

Joshu
02-03-2005, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by cherrypopper
its like ML'ers judging LAN-X off Emps
I'm terribly sorry if I ever thought ill of you Geelongites.:( I love you guys.

ultraviolentray
02-03-2005, 08:45 AM
I have an idea of setting an age limit of 16+. It would be a good idea and a bad idea.

What are your thoughts?

(my thoughts)
Good because kiddies who are 16+ are starting to mature, and don't run around. They go to LANs to game, and they game hardcore for like 3 days straight, and don't get off their computers.

However, there are a few 14-15 year old kiddies who are new to the lan scene, and you don't want to discourage them from going to lans. It'd be like the "lost generation" :(

Well... that's all for now...

madcap_magician
02-03-2005, 09:38 AM
Seth is teh awsome - he is always welcome at my LAN's anytime!

but yea mark so long at u dont resort to your USB stealing escpades and ur not so fun light placement (for example RIGHT ON ME!) u ML guys and gals are all good.

just DAMN! u have some people down there that need a heavy pimp handed SLAP! and if ur pimp hand is sore mark (dont know why ? :P ) from slapping :P (ALL THOSE LITTLE FAGS ;)) then i can offer my pimp hand to law down some LAW styles on them :P

PANNIC

Bento180
02-03-2005, 11:47 AM
I like the fact that there are young Lanners it adds a bit of flavour to LANs but yeah they are gunna run around a bit so how about confiscating their red cordial.
Bring back the random comps like CD throwing and stuff like that...yeah!
Uh also i didnt see enough street fighter going but i enjoyed the mega64 movies on the screen get more of that shit going
Also you burnt the breakfast...again! the bacon almost broke my teeth..
other than that it was still a kick ass lan due to the comps starting earlier

radass
02-03-2005, 11:53 AM
I like us being there for the youngins too, but on the other hand i'm pretty sure lanx isn't a babysitting service for naughtly little boys and girls ..

Bento180
02-03-2005, 11:59 AM
Lan goatses should be put into place where you are tethered to your computer with only a bucket to relieve yourself

radass
02-03-2005, 12:06 PM
haha

Bento180
02-03-2005, 12:20 PM
There better be something awesum planned for mega-X man cos something needs to top the awesumness of that LAN13

Joshu
02-03-2005, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by radass
i'm pretty sure lanx isn't a babysitting service for naughtly little boys and girls ..
Actually, this brings to mind something from LZ1 - I don't think we allowed "just anybody" under16s, only ones we could vouch for, and we took contact details from them anyway and they knew that if they acted up, we'd be ringing their Mummy or Daddy to come and pick them up.

Personally I think it's a good idea, even if a little weird.

mudgie
02-03-2005, 01:37 PM
Uh, I don't want creepy men like those X admins knowing where I live ;).

Just leave it as it is, and tell anyone playing up to fuck off.

*NoN*Da]rY*
02-03-2005, 04:00 PM
Lan on the lake had an age restriction, and from memory it worked very well.

I think it should be put in in place unless the younger people have someone to vouche for them, ofcourse alot of planning and shit would need to be done

kyzen
02-03-2005, 05:07 PM
Sounds like work... y'all can get fucked ;)
I'll just start spanking people!

Me: That's it, over my knee ya little shit! *spank! spank!*

*wait a second, child abuse is more emp's department...*

aequitas
02-03-2005, 05:22 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mudgie
what didn't you like about x13??
Salt water drinking pagans ;). And packing up 2 hours early! And that cunt winning all the prizes again - make it one per person



Hey dude i asked kenny if it would be ok that if i drew my own number that i would still be able to claim it. if he had of said no then i would have steped down, as it was i gave half the stuff back.

Just my opionion on the LAN

It was Awesome, Greatness, i love the idea of having it over 2 nights. people are not presured to Leach soo much straight away and spread it out a little. unlike monsterlan most people stay untill the end, sorry that i didnt but i had to get home, work and tafe and stuff.

thanks again to the ADMINS i will definately be coming to the next LANX hopefully without brits being there and i am sure that geelongs finest will reign terror into the hearts of the Ballarat people and take home the Trophys to the competitions.

Vindicator
02-03-2005, 05:48 PM
I think that overall it was a great lan

good games, good atmosphere, and very good people.

What didnt you like about the LAN?

Nothing that you guys could have helped.

Other comments about lanx?

Thanks Moo and UV Ray offered a hand when i left all my shit at home. thanks for that dudes, definately says something about the people in ballarat

Also
I apologise for anydisturbances i made, was just being an little fucktard, and acting a bit hypo...

So sorry bout that.

radass
02-03-2005, 05:52 PM
ah well you were just chasing poon, at least it was your age :rolleyes:

aequitas
02-03-2005, 05:57 PM
unlike a certain 20 year old

Eoin
02-03-2005, 06:12 PM
Who?

Which 20 year old?

What's going on?

Moo
02-03-2005, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by radass
ah well you were just chasing poon, at least it was your age :rolleyes:

Yeah, when i saw you two running outside then up the stairs i yelled out 'Emps stop hastling the other women!'... then i realised it wasn't emps.

Zeddicus
02-03-2005, 07:17 PM
I missed LAN-X 13 because of family issues, but I did manage to get a copy of the movie some of us have dubbed 'One night in Brittiny' and I gotta say that the guy that yelled "Mate that is FUCKED!" pretty muched sumed it all up.

Age restrictions and strict rules for behaviour some like a bloody brilliant idea to me.

Anyways, see you at LAN-X 14.

kyzen
02-03-2005, 08:48 PM
Yep, age restriction sound good to me, anyone over 18 that shows inappropriate attention to anyone under 18 should be fucking shot, it's that simple.

axl_morgs
02-03-2005, 08:56 PM
i say we bring some wood, cloth and petrol

i can feel a lynchin comin along y'all

*NoN*Da]rY*
02-03-2005, 09:17 PM
Couldent agree more!

citizen-X
02-03-2005, 10:21 PM
morgs...when i hear the word lynch thats when i start running :D

kyzen
02-03-2005, 10:56 PM
BAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHA!















*it's funny cause he's chocolate*

*NoN*Da]rY*
02-03-2005, 11:02 PM
you need not fear Suddy.... this ones for Emps :D

BlueShadow
03-03-2005, 12:03 AM
maybe you could do it while hes eating pizza at home one night

axl_morgs
03-03-2005, 12:44 AM
Originally posted by citizen-X
morgs...when i hear the word lynch thats when i start running :D

dang

alls i wanna do is lynch some bithces y'all

s'all good mang cuz at least you aint not one o' dem lebos

thems all needs to be shots y'all

YEEEEHAWWW

*NoN*Da]rY*
03-03-2005, 01:21 AM
...... time to did up that old 12 guage o' mined :D

briti
03-03-2005, 01:43 AM
Look here's my say...

1st things 1st the quotes... i didnt type! Get your facts right i wasnt even near my laptop, i will admit to writting the one about lauren though, but if you read the rest of it you would see it wasnt only me!

2nd Yeah ill agree running around was very stupid and i regret doing so... but what do you expect me to do when someone ... is threatening to rape me?

3rd I wasnt the one talking in the crash room... it was two motor mouthed males... who i wont metion.

4th I was playing games... i played in all comps... and felt quite proud of myself when i beat everyone in savage.

My apologies if i annoyed anyone... but there were others who were also annoying, if there is a next time i will remeber to be more mature and be myself, insted of what you guys thought was me!

Please dont judge me, you didnt get the full story! You dont even know me... just let me prove who i really am!

Thanks all bye

axl_morgs
03-03-2005, 02:08 AM
quit you

*goes back to whittlin away on whittlin stick*

oh i dos like to whittle ah huh y'all

dangnabbit

kyzen
03-03-2005, 02:12 AM
Originally posted by briti
Please dont judge me, you didnt get the full story! You dont even know me... just let me prove who i really am!

That's the thing about first impressions, it's a one shot deal...

briti
03-03-2005, 02:19 AM
Thats the thing about the saying: You cant judge a book by its cover

Moo
03-03-2005, 02:54 AM
oh noes~.... it posts:

Originally posted by briti
Look here's my say...

1st things 1st the quotes... i didnt type! Get your facts right i wasnt even near my laptop, i will admit to writting the one about lauren though, but if you read the rest of it you would see it wasnt only me!

2nd Yeah ill agree running around was very stupid and i regret doing so... but what do you expect me to do when someone ... is threatening to rape me?

Let's see. If it was a serious threat, maybe TELL A ADULT AT THE LAN, LIKE A ADMIN???

The KID your age running after you was a Geelong kid i believe, and when i saw both of you running, i thought you where just mucking about.


3rd I wasnt the one talking in the crash room... it was two motor mouthed males... who i wont metion.

That's funny. I heard two male voices and one female voice. Yelling. When i reminded said voices that this is a room for sleeping, the female voice got bitchy.


4th I was playing games... i played in all comps... and felt quite proud of myself when i beat everyone in savage.

Oh..... you where in team AoU? Or did you mean on a personal level?


My apologies if i annoyed anyone... but there were others who were also annoying, if there is a next time i will remember to be more mature and be myself, instead of what you guys thought was me!

Please dont judge me, you didnt get the full story! You dont even know me... just let me prove who i really am!

Thanks all bye

oh.. the 'You don't know me' bit. I thought you said you where one of those Newtown 'snobs', not Norlane things.

Agreed there where other annoying people at this lan, but you seemed to be the ring leader. Please, if you come up the road again, is it possible to keep it down to a dull roar? No running? No turning on the lights in the crash room while people are trying to fucking sleep?

Thank you. And enjoy the rest of the first year at high school.

aequitas
03-03-2005, 07:59 AM
Brit me knowing you outside of LANX i felt compelled to say this.

1. Most of what was said on dc chat was you. for the rest of the stuff that was said thats your own fault. Lock your computer before you leave it, and noone can do anything.

2.
Rape, really. how come that me or tom or pete didnt hear about it. as much of a pain in the ass ypu are we would have done something about it. and besides as harsh as this sounds, you do kinda ask for all the comments made your way, i mean you are going to a LAN with prepubestent 14 year olds that at the first sign of a chick they get excited. and also dont dress like a your inviting (nicest way to say this) guys, remember above you are not in your all girls private school anymore,

3.

Yes you did play in the comps.. after you kicked someone else off there computer so that you could play. listen Bulldog or Vindi didnt stuff up you computer, you did, with the amount of viruses and spy ware i am suprised that your computer starts. and if you seriously think that they killed it, then learn to fix your own computer, the last thing that people want to be doing is to fix your computer while they are trying to set up for a comp.

The Bottom line is that if you wish to come to a LAN again here is a list of the things that you will need to do,

1. Dont act like you are the little princess and try to get everyone to do everything for you, come prepared bring your own mouse and dont expect to always borrow others.

2.
Be More mature. first impressions last, and this is the age of the internet, word travels fast and sooo do videos,

if you have a problem then tell one of the admins, as much as they dont want to be pestered about petty bullshit, if there is something serious going on they are still responsible for you and the other minors.

Now if you are ever invited to another LAN. cause i seriously think that you are treading on thin ice with all the admins of all the geelong and surrounding LANS, act like you are 15 not 5, and dont go round screaming and trying to pick up certain 20 year olds, ( yes theres more then 1). generally behave and there should be no problems.

I look forward to kicking your ass at Savage the next time that we play, the only reason that you won this time is that you kept on killing the little monkey things to collect gold not fighting the enemy.

Vindicator
03-03-2005, 08:22 AM
[i]Originally posted by Moo[/i ]The KID your age running after you was a Geelong kid i believe, and when i saw both of you running, i thought you where just mucking about.

/B]

She was chasing me.

X-Ploit
03-03-2005, 09:05 AM
hahahaha geee it seems like everyone was pissed with lil briti....

i still say.... 15 or above agelimit is the way to go

TeamZephyr
03-03-2005, 10:48 AM
probably 16 would be good. with a couple of exceptions

axl_morgs
03-03-2005, 11:09 AM
*serious hat*

I think an age limit is more trouble than its worth.

Is it too much to ask that people act with consideration for others, be they asleep or watch out for their gear? If thats too much to ask of some people, then they should not attend the lan in the first place.

kenny and spot, who i love dearly, should not have to act as babysitters. that being said there arent gonna be any nazis there to make sure you are quiet all the time and dont have any fun, but there needs to be more consideration for other people shown

it all comes with experience. now you younger peeps know that you gotta be more considerate, learn from it, and at next x, do it. cause im gonna be there and fucked if im gonna have my sleep interrupted :)

*serious hat off*

yeehaww whippa snappas needs to learn the pains of da cane to da face! da face!

mah whittlin stick done resemble a whittlin sword a'huh

kyzen
03-03-2005, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by briti
Thats the thing about the saying: You cant judge a book by its cover

The survey said... BA BOOOOOW!

radass
03-03-2005, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by aequitas

2. <snip>you do kinda ask for all the comments made your way, i mean you are going to a LAN with prepubestent 14 year olds that at the first sign of a chick they get excited. and also dont dress like a your inviting (nicest way to say this) guys

dude, this is a fucked argument. She's entitled to dress how she wants within the realm of decency.

She did appear, however, to lap up all the attention quite happily which isn't so smart. Especially when it comes to our resident(?) kiddy toucher emps.

Moo
03-03-2005, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by Vindicator
She was chasing me.


...... gah? Do not tell me what i did and did not see dude.

Brit ran up the stairs outside infront of the whole AOU team, then you (assuming you where the one in the yellow top). I made the coment 'Emps stop chasing the other women', and al the guys out there laughed. You where chasing her, not other way around.

Anyone else that was outside remember it differently?

radass
03-03-2005, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by briti
Look here's my say...

2nd Yeah ill agree running around was very stupid and i regret doing so... but what do you expect me to do when someone ... is threatening to rape me?


Briti, from where i stood, you were the one dragging that vindicator guy along behind you, holding his hand, taking him downstairs etc. Is this who you mean? Accusing someone of 'threatening to rape' is truly fucked if it isn't true, i would very much like you to either qualify or retract that statement (you can pm me if you want). Unless you are talking about emps of course, because we all know that any funny business between the 2 of you is considered rape in the eyes of the law.
Yes you might have been keen on the idea, you may even think it WAS your idea (i'd personally bet it was carefully implanted and encouraged), but emps is of an age now where it's his responsibilty to know better, and to act better.

You didnt' look in the least bit threatened at any time during the lan, as far as I saw. If indeed you did recieve unwelcome attention then bring it to us and we'll deal with it.

For now, I don't believe you on this one.


4th I was playing games... i played in all comps... and felt quite proud of myself when i beat everyone in savage.


Cool, that's what we're all here for.


My apologies if i annoyed anyone... but there were others who were also annoying, if there is a next time i will remeber to be more mature and be myself, insted of what you guys thought was me!

Please dont judge me, you didnt get the full story! You dont even know me... just let me prove who i really am!


We can only go on what you've given us to judge. If you can manage to come to a lan without annoying everyone constantly or sleeping with emps then everyone (except emps) should be happy.

Fuck emps is a dirty cunt

briti
03-03-2005, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by Moo
oh noes~.... it posts:



Let's see. If it was a serious threat, maybe TELL A ADULT AT THE LAN, LIKE A ADMIN???

The KID your age running after you was a Geelong kid i believe, and when i saw both of you running, i thought you where just mucking about.



That's funny. I heard two male voices and one female voice. Yelling. When i reminded said voices that this is a room for sleeping, the female voice got bitchy.



Oh..... you where in team AoU? Or did you mean on a personal level?



oh.. the 'You don't know me' bit. I thought you said you where one of those Newtown 'snobs', not Norlane things.

Agreed there where other annoying people at this lan, but you seemed to be the ring leader. Please, if you come up the road again, is it possible to keep it down to a dull roar? No running? No turning on the lights in the crash room while people are trying to fucking sleep?

Thank you. And enjoy the rest of the first year at high school.

honestly it wasnt me talking in the crash room and when i did get bitchy it was towards my friends who were talking because i wanted to sleep aswell, i only had 1 hr sleep the night before.

with savage what i should of said was i beat everyone in my team sorry.

and also i didnt say im one of the newtown snobs... i said i lived in newtown the snobby area!

look im sorry if i annoyed you but i guess you have to get to know me before you get to like me! I guess i need to act myself which im sorry if this sounds stupid but i find that hard to do... but from now on i will be me! im really sorry if i upset or annoyed anyone but if im able to go to lanX 14 i will be me and show you guys who i really am... only after that judge me!

also one more thing id like to say is First year??? um sorry but no!! im in year 10 doing methods and legal studies that shows the real me!

thanks all

Zeddicus
03-03-2005, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by radass
dude, this is a fucked argument. She's entitled to dress how she wants within the realm of decency.

She did appear, however, to lap up all the attention quite happily which isn't so smart. Especially when it comes to our resident(?) kiddy toucher emps.

Dress how she wants within the realm of decency?

Like at Geakin II a fortnight ago when she spent several hours wandering around in her boxers saying "I am so happy because I have power over men"?

Face it Britt, you're a harlot.

Joshu
03-03-2005, 01:45 PM
What I've got to say's already been said.

Briti, first impressions DO last, and it's fucking STUPID to use the word "rape" in any sense other than what's meant. Especially when people see you leading boys downstairs, it tends to backfire on you when you even try. Wearing miniskirts doesn't help. Denying the quotes makes you stupider, because there's no way of knowing whether or not you said them because they came from your name, and in your grammar; if you seriously didn't say them, it's time to learn to use the "Lock Workstation" function of Windows XP.

There have been attention whores at X before, and things don't happen very well around them; there's always a lot more controversy than there really needs to be. You can either be a regular gamer chick, sit down and stfu, or you can find yourself being bitched about because nobody liked your in-LAN antics. I think the solution's obvious. First impressions do last, but impressions are wont to be changed.

If you weren't "acting yourself" at the LAN, then what the heck were you doing? My simple first impression of you is that you're an attention whore (like another example at LANs I've seen), but you have the power to change that.

radass
03-03-2005, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by Joshu
Wearing miniskirts doesn't help.

Again, I have to point out that this isn't a valid argument.

But I agree with everything else you said

briti
03-03-2005, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by Zeddicus
Dress how she wants within the realm of decency?

Like at Geakin II a fortnight ago when she spent several hours wandering around in her boxers saying "I am so happy because I have power over men"?

Face it Britt, you're a harlot.

Oh ouch!!! you think whatever you want i honestly dont care, you've never liked me and never will so you go ahead and say what you want but im, not going to take any offence to it... also, geakin i was in my boxers wen i went to sleep then after i got up i walk round for a bit and then put my skirt back on... its boxers its not like i wasnt wearing anything... why is it ok for guys to walk round in boxers and for girls its not ok???

and also i said i had power of josiah once when he went to get food for me... its called joking... hes one of my closest mates!!!

please get your facts right and stop trying to hurt my feelings cause its not working the reason you had to change your nickname in geelong was cause everyone hated you... and sorry to tell you not many people like you now either!

Joshu
03-03-2005, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by radass
Again, I have to point out that this isn't a valid argument.
Why isn't it valid? If there's one thing miniskirts are designed to do, it's to show off legs (and more). Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Moo
03-03-2005, 01:59 PM
Okay, everyone seems to be in agreement:
The activities and attiudes for the first outting up the road where horrid. When and if you appear again, make ammends.


I'm thinking its time to drop this or face The Anus.

radass
03-03-2005, 02:05 PM
Because she has the right to wear whatever she wants. Certain outfits may attract unwanted attention from certain people, but they have to stop when told to fuck off, and if they don't it is not valid to say that their behaviour is excusable because of what she was wearing.

Some muslims make their women hide behind veils - because they believe that it's not a mans fault if he is tempted by a woman and rapes her. In fact in some muslim societies the woman would be charged with infidelity for being raped, and sentanced to death by public stoning.

All that said, i'm not sure that she did discourage anything that happened at X13.

*NoN*Da]rY*
03-03-2005, 05:24 PM
Briti, i think you cant redeem yourself in the eyes of this LAN. I would say that 90% of the people there would agree you were more trouble than you were worth.

it seemed to me and obviously everyone else that you enjoyed being chased by the kid... looks like you 2 knew each other, even looks like you 2 came to the LAN together :| atempted rape is a seriously alligation to throw around just be sure to not cry wolf.

Eoin
03-03-2005, 05:31 PM
The whole 'she was asking for it' argument sickens me for the most part, depending upon the specifics of the situation. Blokes should be able to keep their pants on, especially if they are older/ more responsible/ more sober.

Automatically assuming someone is lying about a rape has the potential to cause a lot more harm than at least treating that kind of accusation with some seriousness.

kyzen
03-03-2005, 05:34 PM
Yeah, I was just about to say that... worst statement ever.

ozzipete
03-03-2005, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by radass
ah well you were just chasing poon, at least it was your age :rolleyes:
bahahahahaha:beer

Originally posted by radass
Again, I have to point out that this isn't a valid argument.

But I agree with everything else you said

No I have to agree Dave .. not a valid argument (Having a 17 yo Daughter myself)

Rape is a serious allegation and I am sure if that were the case there was more than enough able bodied people there to "resolve the issue"
However all I saw/ Heard was a big mouthed attention seeking girl, whom in my personal opinion should have fucked right off and never even come near Lan. Either that or come with some sort of parent or Guardian to stop any further issues.

*NoN*Da]rY*
03-03-2005, 05:59 PM
amen Pete, seriously tho. If it was a seriously full on alligation then why not bring it to the admins? or someone that could put a stop to it.

To me from a personal stand point it looks more like someone desperatly trying to defend there actions. But once again that is my personal stand point and im sure i could wrong.

ozzipete
03-03-2005, 06:04 PM
I whole heartedly agree mate it is a last ditch effort by her to defend making an absolute arse out of herself.
Which hopefully someone will run a poll on... "Who wants Brit at the next LanX ?"

*NoN*Da]rY*
03-03-2005, 06:05 PM
good to see im not alone, and i agree that would be an excellant poll :D

mudgie
03-03-2005, 06:13 PM
Facts:
1. I heard you in the crash room, and saw you as you turned the lights on, disturbing everyone sleeping in there.

2. That running around shit is not acceptable near thousands of dollars of equipment.

3. Emps is a dirty prick ;).

I think we've seen the 'real you' - a trouble making young lady who pissed off a bunch of people at an event they dished out money for. Grow up a tad if you'd like to be welcomed back.

As for this rape thing, it looked to me like it was a friend playing chasey with you. If you were being threatened, call the police, or tell someone who can do something. Don't cry wolf, it will come back to bite you on your ass (if Emps isn't there first).

ozzipete
03-03-2005, 06:25 PM
Yup First impressions are Lasting .. and I know that mine is all negative..

There is even a division of the Vic Police called The Child Expoitation Unit and if they read these posts I am sure would be interviewing Brittany pretty quick smart .. so hows about we close this forum....

Joshu
03-03-2005, 06:32 PM
Split it and move it to Cissy Prap.

ozzipete
03-03-2005, 06:34 PM
Yep I agree

Snoopy
03-03-2005, 06:38 PM
but this is the official LAN X feedback thread :(

SPOT
03-03-2005, 06:56 PM
topic closed!!
we have enuff 'feedback'.
but seriously thanks to all the guys who attended and gave us some valuable things to think about for the next X.
we will try to implement as many as possible.
most importantly, the outside fuck around comps.

no one else a new thread revolving around attention seeking young girls or aussie michael jacksons!!